SECRETARY HILLARY CLINTON was obviously paying attention and having none of Mitt Romney’s amateur editing job using her “shame on you, Barack Obama” in ads, hoping to get mileage out of it. Clinton waited, then picked the perfect instant to weigh in, from Jerusalem, and minced no words while filleting Romney at a moment when the incoming from Chicago has been withering.
“I am out of politics, and I haven’t seen any of the ads that you’re talking about,” Clinton said. “But I have to say it’s a waste of money. Everybody knows I ran against President Obama in 2008, that’s hardly news. Everybody knows we ran a hard fought campaign and he won. And I have been honored to serve as his secretary of state.” – Hillary Clinton: Romney ads featuring her a ‘waste of money’
It’s no coincidence that Secy. Clinton chose Israel to make her statement, where Mitt Romney is due to make a visit in a couple of weeks.
It’s another humiliating moment of political malpractice from Team Romney, who have now officially become the Not Ready for Presidential Primetime Players.
The way Mitt Romney’s going there’s going to be a fierce battle on the Republican side for who exactly is the “waste of money” king, because Team Obama is leveling the Romney candidacy to rubble. What we’re witnessing is one of the fiercest take downs of a candidate I’ve ever seen, certainly one of the most expert politically skinning’s in modern time, with an assist by Mitt Romney, himself.
Now we watch to see if Mitt Romney can recover or maybe the better way to put it is we wait to see if any outside event helps him, because there’s no evidence Chicago is going to stop and they shouldn’t.
You have to know Team Romney is scurrying around trying to find a way to announce their vice presidential pick, because they need to do anything to change the subject. However, the way things are going right now it’s more likely to be another boring white man than someone who excites. The climate for Mitt Romney is just brutal. God help him if he picks Sen. Jim Thune. Then it really will be what Jon Stewart hinted at last night, the Magic Mitt show, only with clothes.
I read gop might have palin speak to conv at 830 am! wow thats a diss for the tea party. And Santorum said today Mitt cannot pick a vp that might be pro choice- so no Condi for Mitt- like it was ever for real.
Unless the economy improves, Mr. Romney could probably crap himself during his speach at the Republican convention and still win in Nobember.
And, Mr. Romney will get to Israel before Mr. Obama, how do you think that will play with the Isrealis?
Where’s the evidence this is true, it certainly isn’t the electoral numbers?
The truth is NO ONE can predict right now who will win in November.
Team Romney can thank the stars this barrage isn’t coming in September, but the tick up on search engines on Bain is going to be a long-lasting problem for Romney. If Obama can connect with the “secretive” label, tying it to Romney’s taxes,” he’ll have a duel problem.
There also usually is some outside force that impacts the race that neither candidate can predict.
Again, NO ONE knows right now who will win, it’s that tightly polarized.
I’ll make a prediction: The economy will worsen between now and November and Mr. Obama will lose to Mr. Romney.
The ‘barage’ couldn’t wait until September because the economy is doing so poorly (thus Americans are doing poorly) that Mr. Obama can’t talk about his stewardship of it and has to focus on other ‘issues’. That he has to resort to these tactics now is telling, he is going to lose.
As with all predictions, yours is fairly worthless, especially when it’s based on nothing but the continued conservative cheerleading that the economy will worsen.
That’s just craven cynicism backed up by the false talking point that Pres. Obama can’t talk about his “stewardship,” because your hyper partisan ideological head can’t fathom the extent of Mitt Romney’s vacuous, secretive and wholly non-transparent candidacy, which makes Pres. Obama look like F.D.R. in comparison.
Excellent points, Taylor! I loathe cheerleading from either side, especially when it a cheer goes up for a worsening economy. That’s just plain sick, IMHO.
It’s not cheeleading, it’s my prediciton. I don’t see anything on the horizon that is going to bring good news for the economy or the unemployed. I run a business that relys on employed individuals and, as I wrote a while ago, I’d gladly put up with a second term for Mr. Obama if the economy were to improve.
If you can list any factors which you think will improve the economy or the joblessness situation, I’d love to see them. But, lasting unemployment, rising prices and stagnant growth perpetuate a viscious circle which will bring the economy down and worsen the plight of the unemployed, add more to the ranks of the unemployed and reduce earnings for those companies that can stahy in business. In my opinioin, if the economy worsens, it won’t matter what Mr. Obama says or does, he will not be reelected, for reference, See Jimmy Carter.
PWT 17 July 2012 at 12:04 pm
Your basic premise is what every professional political analyst began the 2012 election with as the floor.
Unfortunately, Romney’s crashed through that foundation and unless he can prove he can be TRUSTED, it will be close, but every battleground state where Team Obama is slamming Romney on Bain is proving that if that element is stripped from Romney’s candidacy voters won’t choose the unknown that looks worse.
I guess we’ll see in November.
It’s entirely possible that the economy will show signs of improvement before November, and Obama will lose anyway.
It’s entirely possible that the economy will show no signs of improvement before November, and Obama will win anyway.
The first possibility happens if a majority of the American people simply do not believe that there is a firm direction leading to a strong recovery under Obama, and they are willing to take a chance with Romney. This could happen if Obama puts all his eggs in the “Romney Sucks More Than I Do” basket.
The second possibility happens if the majority simply cannot picture Romney as a decent President who will work for them and not just the 1 percent. This is what the Obama campaign is hoping for- not counting on the economy to bail them out, they will rely on Romney basically being disqualified as an option, leaving Obama the Last Man Standing, since we have this awesome two party system strangling us.
Not going to be that easy for ol’ Mitt. And the Israelis are not voting in the USA presidential election.
Did Team Romney expect Secretary Clinton to come out and say “You’re SOOOO right Team Romney about Obama. And I stand by you 100% Romney”. Clinton and Obama may have fought a hard and nasty battle in 2008, but she sure isn’t about to flip on the President! It’s not in her DNA aka “Hillary don’t roll like that”. If she was POTUS now, she would be attacking Romney on the exact same points.
Yes the economy is HUGE. And as I’ve mentioned before, I have sizable problems with how President Obama has handled it. BUT this is a presidential election. A presidential candidate can be painted into a corner and minimized outside of the issues. And that’s really what you are supposed to do in a campaign. Team Obama hitting Team Romney hard right now. No doubt about it.
Hey T-Steel.
Ideological (and amateur) fortune tellers may get a “prediction” right here and there, but the foundation of the question is based in the history that it’s difficult to unseat a sitting president. That becomes doubly true if the person targeted is a gifted politician. Obama isn’t Carter of Bush 41, he’s not Gerald Ford, and his team is the most adept around.
The other real issue is that even as bad as the economy is, Mitt Romney has to be TRUSTED to be able to change it and make things better. Voters won’t roll the dice on someone who’s successfully painted as someone who they’re not sure if they can trust.
People don’t like Obama, but his numbers on the economy have risen lately. That’s not ideology talking, it’s anecdotal evidence, with Obama leading in “battleground states.” In fact, Virginia today is now seen as BLUE! That wasn’t the case 9 months ago, let me tell you.
The other issue is Romney’s team just isn’t playing the same game as Chicago. It’s fatally obvious if you’re taking a snapshot of today. You absolutely cannot make a mistake, certainly not one that goes to your whole reason for your candidacy, against Barack Obama. I’m an expert at this and have seen it first hand, up close and personal.
No one can say who will win in November, but Team Romney’s got to be better than their performance and game plan to date.
Oh I know you have seen it first hand, Taylor. I was talking to some conservative friends of mine back in January and they were very confident that Obama could be easily beat based on the economy alone. They essentially thought it was a done deal. I told them then that ol’ Barry lives for the campaign fight. He’s hardly an easy foe. Well we see it first hand again.
I always wonder how politicians at this level keep getting caught on essentially the obvious. If I were running for an elected office, I immediately pull out my hard black nationalist roots and EXPLAIN my mindset then and now. I wouldn’t run from it. I would shove it to the front thus derailing the “secret gotcha”. There are PLENTY of ways Romney could have spun his Bain days and even tax shelters (which he mostly likely used) in a positive light. I’m no genius and have ideas. But the entire “see I wasn’t there when XYZ happened so shut up” is just stupid.
Unless the economy improves? Exactly how is that suppose to happen when Republicans in the Senate are filibustering everything in site? Cons in the Senate just blocked another million jobs last Thursday!
1.”Unless the economy improves, Mr. Romney could probably crap himself during his speach at the Republican convention and still win in Nobember.”
Housing starts are up and sales of existing houses are up. INSPITE of the borderline treasonous attempts by the repugnantklan/teabaggers to torpedo the economy for political gain…looks like mittens may be crapping himself NOW and not waiting for the convention.
2.”And, Mr. Romney will get to Israel before Mr. Obama, how do you think that will play with the Isrealis?”
So some rich white guy who lies on his financial disclosures and is supported by religious fanatics who just can’t WAIT for Israel to be destroyed in the final confrontation wit da DEBIL and who’s religion frankly ain’t to crazy about….jews will be there fawning and pandering….and your point is?
GW Bush released 17 years of tax records when he was running, Clinton 12 and Obama 11. His corporate lordship has decided that it is beneath him to release or disclose anything to the common man. After all who are we to ask, none of our business… What a smug and elitist ass.
Here. Here.
People have every right, backed by evidence, to doubt Pres. Obama, especially when the “grand bargain” is part of his economic platform.
However, that’s quite separate from the sheer hubris and insulting elitism of Mitt Romney getting away with his total lack of transparency, which even Britt Hume is calling out.
That makes Matthew Down, Bill Kristol, George Will, plus Hume and others, so when you see in any comment section with conservatives touting Romney’s taxes don’t matter, no one should stand silently and let it pass.
Both sides need to have something we all expect as the floor on transparency, especially in the post Citizens United era, as Republicans continue to block the Disclose Act.
Democrats, Republicans, Independents, everyone, all voters, should stand side by side on this issue. Anyone who doesn’t should be shunned for being an ideological lapdog.
I’m kind of getting a kick out of all this because after all Obama is rerunning George W. Bush’s 2004 reelection campaign. So far he’s been able to make it about Romney. Conservatives are now getting a taste of their own medicine and I find that extremely funny.
Oh, I’m *so* with you on this one!
Obama is the most transparent President in our history.
I loves me some Hillary, but she knows Obama didn’t fight fair.
First he divided the party and then moved on to divide the country.
called her hubby a racist and everything.
And the racist claims stuck, as there are many Blacks who voted for Clinton, loved Clinton and despise him now.
Shame on you Barack Obama!
-Hillary Clinton 2008
heh-heh… You are relentless.
*takes a bow and waits for Solo and Sec*
that is when the fun really begins!
on a lighter note, Mr. Sasha asked me what are you, Sean and Rush going to have to talk about if Romney wins.
jerk
Oh! That would be even more fun.
First, Mitt Romney would be as bad with the press as Nixon. In the new media age that would be delicious to cover.
The neocons would be back, so I’d have so much fodder I’d be in foreign policy heaven (our nation would be back in hell).
It would also mean Republicans took the Senate and kept the House, which would mean an all-out assault on the New Deal, well beyond Obama’s “grand bargain.”
Maybe that would inspire the rise of the New American Left, which is something a lot of liberals have discussed as being a very big up side to Obama losing.
Ahhhh! We can only wish! Although I think there are so many disappointed Americans on both sides and in the middle it would be more than Liberals signing up for the New American Left!
You could be right, Sasha.
And where in the heck did you get THAT one from? Where are the black folks coming out a saying they DESPISE former President Clinton? As we have said a THOUSAND times before, Hillary Clinton would have gotten a ridiculous share of the black vote if she won the nomination or if Obama wasn’t running. Divided the country?!!? This country has always been divided to some degree. Obama didn’t cause that. That is a legacy. It takes steps forward, some back. You know what you need Sasha? A big dose of Steve Wonder:
They’ve been spending most their lives
Living in a pastime paradise
They’ve been spending most their lives
Living in a pastime paradise
They’ve been wasting most their lives
Glorifying days long gone behind
They’ve been wasting most their days
In remembrance of ignorance oldest praise
Tell me who of them will come to be
How many of them are you and me?
2008 is over. To heck with that friggin’ year and look to the NOW and FUTURE! All that being said:
If Hillary Clinton ran as an independent for 2012, I’d give her a once, twice, thrice-over.
T-Steel, my reality and your reality seem to be very different.
Maybe because I don’t particularly care for Obama.
And I don’t hide my dislike.
After most get over the shock that I truly don’t care for the man’s character and his leadership skills, there comes a point in the conversation where I am attacked. Usually it is after I mention that I believe Hillary would have been a better choice. Nine times out of ten the Clintons are racist murderers or some other vile comments are slung at me, mixed in with I am a Teapartier, crab in a barrel, blah, blah blah. Lol!
Black Americans LOVE their President.
Also, on another board with a very large and primarily Black memebership there is a thread discussing the “Clintions are racist” issue that has been going since the 2008. There is a poll attached to it and 92% say the Clintons are racist and 8% say no.
T, you seem reasonable based on your postings, however there are many people who get their political information in bits and pieces and it is very easy to shape their opinion. You may give Hillary a chance, but many Blacks still do not like her, even after she threw her support behind Obama.
*sighs* Sadly, the permanent damage to the Clinton brand is very real.
And why shouldn’t they? I’m black and didn’t vote for Obama ’08 (or McCain). But I sure loved the moment (told my three children that this was history and you should mark this day down). And it was a realization of a dream that ran deep in the black community. Obama was a first. So that is done and done. Election 2008 was extremely emotional. I had black women in my family that were TEARING themselves up trying to decide Obama or Clinton. I thought a few of my aunts were going to go insane. LOL. Out of my seven aunts, 5 went Obama and 2 went Clinton. But all seven wish that it wasn’t Hillary running against Barack.
I don’t know any black folks that hate the Clintons. Popular black radio hosts such as Tom Joyner and Steve Harvey (with millions of black listeners) still speak highly of the Clintons. My family of Democratic activists still have love for the Clintons. And those Internet boards?? Blah… Some of those are black nationalists leaning and they don’t like any white folks.
@T-Steel, I threw my shoe at the television the night he won.
*hangs head in shame*
As far as the internet board it is where women get together to talk about everything. Lot’s of beauty, celebrities, current events, politics. You name it! So it is a pretty broad cross section of personalities, ages and backgrounds. That is why I find it interesting to visit and read. There doesn’t seem to be any racial tension.
I just think I get a different response because many Black people I know were tied closely to the Obama election. I think it was assumed I would follow the same path.
One of my friends with strong Chicago ties said, “Damn Sasha, out of all of my friends most say that Obama hasn’t been the best president, but everybody is willing to give the brotha another shot, except for you.”
They are however holding back on the donations and campaigning.
“I loves me some Hillary, but she knows Obama didn’t fight fair.”
She lost. “Fair” fair is a word only used by folks who didn’t get the outcome they want. Am I HAPPY she lost? NO. Do I think Obama ran a republican campaign against her and it was successful? NO. But she is American enough to recognize that and move on trying to do the best for her Country.
“First he divided the party and then moved on to divide the country.”
? The PARTY? Pumas(whom I had sympathy for…..even supported in the past until the general election was over) maybe…but the Party? To quote a GREAT Native American…” I’m not a member of any organized political party…I’m a Democrat.”
“called her hubby a racist and everything.And the racist claims stuck, as there are many Blacks who voted for Clinton, loved Clinton and despise him now.”
Hell, implied that SHE was a racist….sucks but it worked. As far as the second half of your spewing, I live in a historically Black neighborhood, have lots of Black friends and even was a member of an AMC Church for awhile….there may be SOME Blacks who feel the way you discribe…but none among the folks I know.
PWT is going to be seriously disappointed come this November because President Obama is definitely on a path to re-election. On this day four years ago the then candidate Obama realclearpolitics average was 47.1% against McCain, do any of you know what it is right now? It’s is 46.6%! The President is exactly a half a point off from where he was 4 years ago and that is after years of relentless attacks from conservative media. When r u Obama haters going to get it? One would think after his triumph in the supreme court last month you would finally get it. President Obama is a winner. He is skilled at overcoming obstacles thrown in front of him by his political enemies.
We have our hard disagreements Solo, but you are 100% right on this:
When Obama ran in 2008, the empty suit moniker always made me laugh. He’s hardly that. Inexperienced at the time? An argument could be made there. Empty suit? Puh-leeze…
I’m REAL interested to see how Team Romney deal with The BainTax Affair. If he doesn’t get things sorted CORRECTLY before their debates, Obama will be chompin’ at the bit to tear him up. The BainTax Affair ain’t gonna be easy to shake for ol’ Mitt. I still say he needs to go all Ross Perot minus Perot and explain some “business” and “economics”. Shift the game. Move the line. Something.
Romney is a blue blood who has never know a moment of struggle in his life. He is not use to being questioned which has made him a very arrogant man. He actually believes he can get through this campaign not taking any positions on anything, not releasing any of his taxes, not answering any questions and not revealing where he is getting his money from. This man is going to lose because he operates like someone with something to hide.
Solo, your posts are really annoying. Just because someone doesn’t agree with a particular politician does not mean that they HATE that politician. I don’t agree with most of what Obama is doing, but I don’t hate him–I don’t even know him! I don’t hate Romney either.
Like love, hate requires some sort of personal connection, and I have no personal connection with any of these politicians (with the exception of one local person running for county office who I intend to vote for). Please stop accusing people of being Obama haters just because they don’t idolize him.
No, if you criticize anything Obama does, ever, and fail to admit that he’s the most awesomest President EVAH, you HATE him and you are a RACIST. You just won’t admit it, because haters and racists hate to admit that they are haters and racists!
Plus you have never gotten over Hillary’s loss in 2008! So there!
Obama ’12. Forward!!
–Solo’s Intern
I’m voting for Gary Johnson. The survey indicates that I should vote for Ron Paul, but he’s too much of a douche. (94% Paul, 91% Johnson, 84% Romney, 24% Obama).
I took that survey as well and he’re is where I stand as far as who I should vote for:
89% Gary Johnson
80% Ron Paul
69% Mitt Romney
51% Barack Obama
43% Jill Stein
On the issues, I side:
84% Barack Obama on Science
86% Gary Johnson on Domestic Policy
98% Gary Johnson on Health Care
100% Gary Johnson on Environment
96% Ron Paul on Social
100% Gary John on Foreign Policy
82% Gary Johnson on the Economy
WELL! Guess I’m a Libertarian. News to me.
These are the numbers I got!
Jill Stein 94%
Barack Obama 87%
Stewart Alexander 77%
Ron Paul 33%
Mitt Romney 27%
That was a hoot! Here are my results (I am not surprised):
88% Jill Stein
71% Stewart Alexander (never heard of him…LOL!!!)
64% Barack Obama
11% Mittens
88% Green
64% Democratic
41% Libertarian
11% Republican
I enjoyed the link to the survey, thanks.
That was fun.
Interestingly I never agree with anything you write, yet Johnson is the second choice for me as well. First is Stein, Ron Paul/Obama are both 3rd at 77%!!! Wonder how that is possible, they dont stand for the same thing at all. Unsurprisingly Romney and I share very little, but then again I don’t consider gutting social security and destroying unions as “winning”.
I think that survey is slanted towards Gary Johnson on second glance. LOL
LoL maybe. It was news to me as well that I am a libertarian. By the way my “I never agree with anything you write” was directed at PWT.
President Obama is a winner
He’s very good at winning elections. We already knew that. Governing? Eh, not so much.
He is skilled at overcoming obstacles thrown in front of him by his political enemies.
During campaigns, yes. His main strategy as President when it comes to obstacles is to accept them as part of his agenda, until his agenda is destroyed, chastise his opponents for throwing all the obstacles, say something about Bipartisanship, and wait for more obstacles.
Yep, President Obama is a real winner. His wins don’t translate into OUR wins, though.
Jill Stein for President. She may not “win,” but she’s a much, much bigger winner than Obama or Romney will EVER be, in my book.
I just took the survey, and Stein came out on top, with 87%, with Obama in second.
Pure junk!
More articulate than usual, Solo. That Learning Annex class is doing wonders for you.
Spot on!
Did they ask in the survey “if you were a tree what kind would it be?”
87% Jill Stein..no surprise.
Sec., why don’t you just take the survey to see what’s there? Not very difficult to click on the link.