The adviser added: “We aren’t reacting to what the Obama campaign does. … We aren’t reacting to what Republican strategists do. We’ve got a plan to win. We know what it takes and that’s what we’re going to do. All of this hew and cry, you know, from the bedwetters who get to sit on the sidelines, aren’t going to affect what we’re going to do and our plan.” – Bain barrage worries Republicans
STEPHANIE CUTTER LANDED a lethal blow on Thursday when she unloaded the accusation that Mitt Romney was either misrepresenting his involvement with Bain Capital, which amounted to a felony if true, and it has changed the current state of Romney’s presidency. It was an unflinching assault that brought a loud whine from Team Romney, with Matt Rhoades declaring Pres. Obama “ought to apologize for the out-of-control behavior of his staff.”
Yeah, you’ve got to watch those women, we can fly off the handle at any moment.
The problem for Republicans is that Mitt Romney gave Team Obama the opening, which is all you need if you’re part of a campaign that’s prepared and has talent ready for the moment. Ms. Cutter delivered perfectly on the one issue that is most deadly to Obama’s reelection hopes. If the Obama campaign can in any way dismantle Romney’s economic case for his presidency, beginning with his credibility and very veracity, Team Obama can mortally wound his candidacy.
It’s no accident that the blow came from Ms. Cutter, who is a veteran of the swiftboating wars during John Kerry’s run for the presidency. She and everyone else who knows anything about these types of political battles, which I do, have got to be elated at Team Romney’s rote, flat-footed response.
“President Obama’s campaign hit a new low today when one of its senior advisers made a reckless and unsubstantiated charge to reporters about Mitt Romney that was so over the top that it calls into question the integrity of their entire campaign,” Rhoades said. “President Obama ought to apologize for the out-of-control behavior of his staff, which demeans the office he holds. Campaigns are supposed to be hard fought, but statements like those made by Stephanie Cutter belittle the process and the candidate on whose behalf she works.” – Fox News Insider
The only thing that gave me more pleasure was watching former governor John Sununu with Sean Hannity spew the words Tony Rezko, Rod Blagojevich and “Chicago politics,” because he couldn’t mount a defense for what came at the Romney campaign all day, as the big-mouthed Sununu was reduced to spittle and blabbering insults.
To top it off, while watching CNN or MSNBC here in the Beltway battleground state of Virginia, attack ads from Rove, the Koch Bros. and every other group played in between segments of continual unraveling of Mitt Romney’s business image. It was surreal.
There’s something very wrong here and it begins with Republicans and Romney’s campaign evidently blindsided by the Bain departure discrepancy. They were caught completely flatfooted and if they stay on their pre-planned course they’ll fall to the withering attacks. Mitt Romney, after getting through the brutal primary, never expected the details of his Bain departure to be an issue, let alone that SEC documents that prove he’s told dueling tales of his Olympic departure. It’s doubly problematic for a man who claims to be ready to run the biggest corporation in the world, the United States of America.
The justification for Mitt Romney’s entire presidential campaign is being dismantled before his campaign can get a grip on what’s happening. Mr. Ice is melting.
Romney doesn’t get to say he’s the man to bring American back to economic health if he can’t even offer a straight account for his own Bain tutelage at a time when he still held all the marbles of the company. From Huffington Post:
Bain described Romney in 2001 SEC filings as the “sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president.” Another form stated that he owned 100 percent of the company in 2002 and received a six-figure salary from Bain in 2001 and 2002. His listed title: “Executive.”
[...] Romney’s lawyer at the Massachusetts hearing said that Romney’s work in the private sector continued “unabated” while he ran the Olympics: “He succeeded in that three-year period in restoring confidence in the Olympic Games, closing that disastrous deficit and staging one of the most successful Olympic Games ever to occur on U.S. soil. Now while all that was going on, very much in the public eye, what happened to his private and public ties to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? And the answer is they continued unabated just as they had.”
The Romney campaign is now in a potentially dangerous defensive crouch, because another hit on outsourcing came on Thursday through David Corn, revealing Romney was involved in what had become business as usual in the U.S., which revolved around corporate trade deals that drained what was left of the U.S. manufacturing market out of the country. The lip service Romney pays to jobs and holding China accountable is now shredded.
On April 17, 1998, Brookside Capital Partners Fund, a Bain Capital affiliate, filed a report with the Securities and Exchange Commission noting that it had acquired 6.13 percent of Hong Kong-based Global-Tech Appliances, which manufactured household appliances in a production facility in the industrial city of Dongguan, China. That August, according to another SEC filing , Brookside upped its interest in Global-Tech to 10.3 percent. Both SEC filings identified Romney as the person in control of this investment: “Mr. W. Mitt Romney is the sole shareholder, sole director, President and Chief Executive Officer of Brookside Inc. and thus is the controlling person of Brookside Inc.” Each of these documents was signed by Domenic Ferrante, a managing director of Brookside and Bain.
Outsourcing and the free trade fetish had become business as usual in the ’90s, but started long before. There are arguments made by business writers and economists that it’s normal. We saw that mentality play out on Thursday when America found out our Olympic team would be wearing opening ceremony costumes made in China. It’s a perfect metaphor for where we stand today, but also why the American public is so disgusted with their choices of leader, neither of whom are half the man Henry Ford was when his strategy was to pay his workers a wage so they could buy the cars they were making, a point that James Carville makes often. At least Pres. Obama put skin in the game to save the car industry, a symbol of America’s manufacturing might at one time in our history.
Unfortunately for Mitt Romney, we live in an era of Occupy – post Bush economic collapse, where every single middle class family has watched their wealth disappear over the last 3 decades, with absolutely no one looking out for them. So when you combine all this information on Mitt Romney together, then put it up against Pres. Obama, taking a risk on this guy who ran Bain, outsourced, and now seems to have a problem with telling the truth, what you’ve got is a risky bet.
There’s no excuse for the Romney campaign’s spastic response to the barrage coming at them from Team Obama, except that they underestimated Pres. Obama and his team, a fatal error. The evidence of his campaigning skills have been chronicled, with Plouffe and Axelrod, along with Messina, veterans of big political brawls and more than ready for the likes of Mitt Romney, especially if their opponent hasn’t already prepared for obvious attacks on his main reasoning for wanting Obama’s job.
It’s summer and a lot of people haven’t been tuning in, but the mega wattage of the sparks flying over these latest allegations about Romney and Bain will get more people’s attention. It’s a long way until November, but the Obama campaign and their allies used the moment wisely and have skillfully commanded the story line that cuts across Mitt Romney’s only asset.
In fact, Romney’s been hit so bad that they even floated to Drudge that Condoleezza Rice was on the short list for vice president. It means Romney is now in a do or die position like John McCain was when he chose Sarah Palin. He’s been hit hard and needs a game-changer. A female and an African American to stand next to Mitt Romney? Romney proved during his NAACP speech that he’s capable of surprising, so who knows?
Going into the weekend Mitt Romney’s now on defense, a losing position in politics, with one card to play. Fortune magazine reported documents that support Romney’s claim of events, but you’ve got to get into the weeds to understand it.
Bain Capital began circulating offering documents for its seventh private equity fund in June 2000. Those documents include several pages specifying fund management. The section begins:
Set forth below is information regarding the background of the senior private equity investment professionals of Bain Capital. Also listed are certain investment professionals responsible for the day-to-day affairs of the Brookside and Sankaty funds, which are affiliated funds of Fund VII.
It then goes on to list 18 managers of the private equity fund. Mitt Romney is not among them. Same goes for an affiliated co-investment fund, whose private placement memorandum is dated September 2000.
The problem is that Mitt Romney remained “sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president… Another form stated that he owned 100 percent of the company in 2002 and received a six-figure salary from Bain in 2001 and 2002.”
That’s enough ammunition for the Obama campaign to keep on pounding away. If you’re explaining, you’re losing, though that doesn’t mean it’s over. It does mean the story has legs and the Obama campaign is going to keep chasing it.
Condoleezza Rice will never be Romney’s VP pick, she pro-choice!
Oh, she will have a change of heart just like Mitt if offered the VP slot. Remember dear Solo, Republicans have no shame; absolutely no shame at all.
As Reid said Mitt couldnt get confirmed by the sen if he were nominated for something now. this sec files stuff is really bad. I think Reid’s eye catching remark went well with Cutter’s. If the guy running for prez could never be confirmed by the sen for a job then um what?
The cut throat candidate Obama is out onthe loose now. Its clear Team O’s oppo has been combing files from sec etc for this moment- on current granholm is gettign “excusive of new revelations.” Team O is hacking away. I wouldnt be surprised if Mitt turns to his vp pic pretty asap. Condi in a way would be a brilliant choice- african amer woman- a 1st running for vp. She can be hard to attack as well. However her role in getting us into Iraq and closeness to Bush is something not a plus for most voters these days. Maybe Gov Susanna Martinez of NM? I think Mitt will pick a woman now- what choice does he have? He needs pos attn and women for the vote.
Yikes!
It’s still a long way until November, Art. But coupled with the China story from Corn, it’s been a very bad couple of days, with no let-up in sight. The Fortune article helps, except it takes too long to unpack it.
Even floating Rice, which was meant as a distraction, is a sign that someone inside Romneyville knows they need to change the subject & regroup.
What’s happening W Mitt Romney is what always happens when you lie as much as he does. After a while it becomes impossible to keep all the lies straight and it gets to the point where the lies begin to conflict! When that happens that’s when you get questions like, where lying then or are you lying now? Which I believe Mr. Romney has now reached.
Art, I can guarantee you that Team O has a counter to Condi. It goes something like this:
Remind everyone that she was asleep at the switch when she delivered “Osama Determined.” She failed to press the importance of that report to W, and let him continue to cut shrub on his toy ranch.
Then remind everyone what a disaster Condi was at State; that she was clueless at Foggy Bottom.
Condi has a eight year record of fecklessness and incompetence to draw upon. That is a absolute catnip for a seasoned Oppo squad like the one Team Obama owns.
This strikes me as one Bain-oriented pooh-fling that could work. It’s hard to imagine that Obama can be accused of simultaneously claiming to work for and not work for someone.
Stay tuned, though. Anything’s possible with these guys.
Glad you had a blurb about those Olympic outfits. Besides the outsourcing, you really have to wonder about the thought process involved. Thru the entire lengthy process, there was absolutely no one that questioned this. You know, some on asking: hey since these are American athletes, representing America, perhaps these outfits should be made in America. Makes you wonder.
Because the script has been written and corporations (even Team USA types) read it well. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I do small IT outsourcing (web design, cloud computing design, etc). But it has no identity attached to it. No patriotism. In no way, shape, or form should Team USA jerseys be made outside of the USA. Look at what you could have done by keeping that in-house? You could have built an entire run-up production to the Olympics American-style. Some Presidential photo-ops, FLOTUS Let’s Move working the angles by walking through the factories making the jerseys and such.
Whoever in charge of Team USA’s clothing and such are complete idiots.
Complete idiots. True.
I think it’s downright hysterical that a country which happily and obliviously buys clothes made outside of the United States ALL THE TIME suddenly finds outrage when it comes to the Olympians’ costumes. Please!
How about refusing to buy clothes made outside the US ALL THE TIME? That would be a positive step, and maybe even patriotic, too. This current outrage is the dumbest, most blatantly manufactured “outrage” I have seen in quite some time.
Another line of attack that hasn’t been used by the Obama campaign yet but will be is Romney’s claim that as a businessman he saved the Salt Lake City Winter Olympic Games.The claim is misleading, the Winter Olympic games were saved when Romney, working with a Republican Congress and President Clinton secured 1.3 billion dollars in taxpayer subsidies that ‘saved’ the Salt Lake City games.Pretty lame for a candidate who says the federal governemnt ‘spends’ too much then takes credit for the ‘free enterprise’ system that saved the Olympic games..
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092400b.htm
It may be slightly off-topic but no one in the media has reported on the real reason why President Obama sent VP Joe Biden to address the NAACP annual meeting this week the day after Ronmey spoke.From the day he was elected Axelrod and Plouffe warned President Obama never to take the GOP bait and personally involve himself in ‘racial’ politics. The GOP was ready to pounce on President Obama if he ever personally involved himself in racial politics. The right wing echo chamber was ready to send red meat to white blue collar voters charging the President with playing Chicago style racial politics and accusing the President of being ‘arrogant’ and ‘uppity’.
Only once did President Obama take the bait when he became involved in the case of the African American Harvard professor who was arrested by the Cambridge police on suspicion when he tried to enter his home in an upscale lily white Cambridge neighborhood. Fox immediatly accused the President of playing Chicago style racial politics. It resulted in President Obama’s ‘beer’ summit. The episode did hurt the President with blue collar white voters and since then the President has heeded Axelrod and Plouffe’s advice and hasn’t taken the Fox News GOP echo chamber bait.
Very true, RAJensen. The “black guy speaking to HIS people” is a self-inflicted shot to the head in politics. Sending the VP was smart and ol’ Joe knows how to “work a crowd” so it was a win-win.
Thanks for Episode #4587 of “Here’s Why Obama Was Smart To Let the People Who Hate Him Dictate His Actions, Gosh He’s Such a Brilliant Chessplayer yay Obama!”
Previous episodes include- Failure to close Gitmo, continuing Bush’s wars overseas (“see, he’s not weak on National Security, take that Republicans!”) embracing Austerity (“see, he’s not in the pockets of his base, he’s not a Progressive!”) allowing himself to be betrayed and kicked over and over again by the people he thought he was negotiating with (“see, he’s not an Angry Black Man!”) etc. etc.
You can tell an Obamabot when every move the President makes to avoid ticking off his critics is a Masterstroke. Bizarre.
O…M…G! Are you calling ME and Obamabot?!? Ask Solo if I’m one. And nothing in RAJensen’s comment screams “Obamabot” also.
For the record, I think I’m going to support Stein/Honkala ’12 (Green Party). Why? Because they are women. And it’s a woman’s turn to run things. And that’s the only reason. How you like that??!!?!! (not saying that Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala are not capable).
I merely mentioned that I thought it was a good move to send the VP to the NAACP to kill a conversation point for conservatives. With Biden there, the whole “HIS people” stuff doesn’t even work. Especially since like, uh, like, ya know, he’s, like, uh, running for, like, re-election and stuff.
And you can tell an Obamanationist when no matter what happens Obama is either to blame or wrong or at fault.
What you call allowing others to dictate your actions others would call being a counter puncher. As for the rest of your post? There are some many falsehoods I hardly know where to begin. President has neither embraced austerity like the loony left keeps saying or been the prolific spender the radical right claims he is. Federal spending under President Obama has leveled off (+1.4%) so your austerity charge is simply crap. Just like the conservative tax and spend charge now that it was announced a few days ago that federal taxes are at a 30 year low! Sadly President Obama political enemies throwing baseless accusations at him is nothing new.
You “hardly know where to begin” because there’s no place to begin- I didn’t make any “baseless charges.”
“The President has not embraced Austerity..” he has offered to, many times, most prominently last August. Maybe your head was so deeply buried in the sand you didn’t notice (that’s as polite as I can get, I just as soon Taylor not erase my post due to personal attacks.)
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See what I mean?
solo – Your comments regularly are insulting and disrespectful, most times not related to topic.
Up your rhetorical game and it won’t happen.
Keep it up and you will be in moderation like others, even those who have been here a while & donated, but who think being insulting and launching personal attacks is considered appropriate debate.
“RAJensen” is a die hard Obama loyalist, but he has learned how to make an argument without bringing insults of people, other than politicians and political parties, into it. It’s not a huge task for anyone armed with their own set of partisan points.
Getting involved in a local law enforcement matter is the same as speaking before the oldest Civil Rights group in the United States? Seriously?
What other groups will Obama “brilliantly” refuse to talk to, so as not to provide ammunition for his critics? Women’s Rights? Labor Unions? Progressives in General? Hey, maybe Obama should refuse to leave the White House or do anything at all. This would silence his critics, which is all he’s supposed to be doing, right?
What is WITH you people?
So…speaking before a Civil Rights Organization is engaging in “racial politics” now?
And yes, the President should never, EVER do ANYTHING that might be criticized by the right wing. Wow, that’s an endorsement of leadership if I ever read one.
I’m not endorsing him or Romney for leadership.
I’m inclined to think that speaking to the NAACP isn’t as important as getting some of those other things right, along with the Shirley Sherrod episode. The NAACP is a political organization, and they understand how politics work. Romney made an important point when he was talking about high unemployment among blacks. In fact, unemployment among youth generally is high now.
In short, get the important stuff right, and sending the white guy to speak to the NAACP isn’t a problem.
That’s enough ammunition for the Obama campaign to keep demonstrating how little they know about the private economy and how it works.
“That’s enough ammunition for the Obama campaign to keep demonstrating how little they know about the private economy and how it works.”
Yeah how the economy REALLY works. The rich white guys lie through their straightened, capped teeth to steal the people blind. Only this time the rich white guy got nailed.
Could be true PWT but the problem is that Ol’ Mitt not playing the game right. Romney’s a businessman. And he running on his business acumen. So why be coy and just all weird about is Bain Capital days? Why don’t you do a Ross Perot style presentation (without all the Perot and more flash and graphics) and explain what you did to the American people. Go business professor with a layman’s words. Tell people how it works and then show how you have an alternative! Team Obama has blood in the water now. And this going to get bloodier for ol’ Mitt.
Politicians…. Never really thinking creatively in how to get a message across.
True, it could be a very teachable moment and could work well for Mr. Romney. Truly, he should laugh it off and say something like, sure, I was working 80 hours a week for the Salt Lake Games and successfully running Bain Capital while my opponent, Mr. Obama, a much younger man, only worked as a part time lecturer. Then, he could explain the difference between owning a business and managing a businees, perhaps the example of a stockholder might resonate.
“True, it could be a very teachable moment and could work well for Mr. Romney. Truly, he should laugh it off and say something like, sure, I was working 80 hours a week for the Salt Lake Games and successfully running Bain Capital while my opponent, Mr. Obama, a much younger man, only worked as a part time lecturer. Then, he could explain the difference between owning a business and managing a businees, perhaps the example of a stockholder might resonate.”
And THEN, for a teachable moment, he could explain how lying under certain circumstances, like he did, is a felony and punishable by a fine imprisonment or both as well as losing his right to vote in any repugnantklan/teabagger controled state.
Romney working hard for the Salt Lake City Games? He might have to explain why working hard for the Salt Lake City Olympics included lobbying the Republican Congress successfully to send 1.3 billion doallars in taxpayer funded subsidies to the Salt Lake City Olympic Committee.
Romney claims it was his business acumen and a free unregulated capitalist system that enabled him to save the Salt Lake City Olympics.
Even John McCain slammed the taxpayer funded subsiidies that saved the Olympics as an example of how special interest lobbyists defraud the taxpayer in pork barrel federal spending projects like the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092400b.htm
Romney is a Corporate owned guy, and I am sure there are things like Bain capital that are going to hurt Romney, but if the economy does not get better, thats still going to be a deciding issue going forward.
STEPHANIE CUTTER LANDED a lethal blow on Thursday when she unloaded the accusation that Mitt Romney was either misrepresenting his involvement with Bain Capital, which amounted to a felony if true.
Not a sentence, but reasonably close.
“Romney is a corporate owned guy…” yeah, and who owns Obama? What’s the point?
The economy has gotten better- a LOT better- for Wall Street under Obama. That’s why Wall Street is backing him. Wall Street is also backing Romney. It’s called hedging bets, and it’s something the rich will have to keep doing until this annoying pretense of Democracy is dead for good.
Sununu was out matched last night. Juan WIlliams clobbered him almost as bad as Sununu clobbered Andrea Mitchell the day before. Here s an excellent reort about MItt Romney and Bain Capital that is being completly ignored –
http://wwaspdiaries.com/2012/04/14/mitt-romney-a-voice-of-freedom-and-hope-not-for-americas-so-called-troubled-youth/
This article is well written and references for every claim it makes.
It’s completely ignored because of the following sentence:
“In 2006, Bain Capital acquired CRC Health Group”
Years after he left the company.
also
read this section – Robert Lichfield, Utah Finance Co-Chair and the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs
In addition Mel Sembler is also part of Mitt Romney’s team.
There are probably some more straws out there if you want to keep grasping for them.
PWT – You can make up your mind any way you want to. All I can do is bring you the facts. If you want to ignore them, go right ahead. I see people paying more attention to which car they are going to but than the amount of effort in deciding which candidate they are going to vote for to be President of the USA.
“PWT – You can make up your mind any way you want to. All I can do is bring you the facts.”
Wasted effort and breath. Po Widdle Troll is a repugnantklan/teabaggerzoid threough and through. Facts? He don need no stinking FACTS!!!
You ignorance of finance is astounding. By your logic, any stockholder, there are millions in the US by the way (you’re probably not one, though) are directly responsible for the actions in the companies in which they own stock. Now ask yourself, were all the shareholders of BP stock responsible for the actions which lead to the rig explosion and were they responsible for the manner in which the cleanup was handled? Of course not.
Try to apply that logic to the Bain Capital situation and perhaps even hyou will be able to understand that because a person is a stockholder in a corporation, that does not necessarilly mean that they are responsible for the actions of the corporation. Your ‘facts’ fail to take into account the fact that Mr. Romney was not in control of Bain Capital at the time of the purchases of these other corporations, so perhaps insinuations is the more correct term rather than fact, as even by the standards which indicate Mr. Romney was still in control of Bain Capital until 2002, you’re four years too late.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/15/adviser-claims-romney-retired-retroactively-from-bain/
BWAHAHAHAHA!
PWT- I do not know of any other person who has both secularhumanizinevoluter and myself disagree with them at the same time. Quite remarkable. YOU are trying to distance Romney and it won’t work. Mitt Romney chose Litchfield and Sembler to be on his political team in 2008 and Sembler is still on his team this year. The fact is Mitt Romney still has people involved in abusing children on his team today. You might feel that that Romney is qualified and deserves your vote because he has an R next to his name. In my opinion Mitt Romney is a democrat! I look into the facts, history, and record of the people I vote for, what about you?
Let’s stick to the discussion at hand. Is a person responsible for the actions of a corporation in which they are a stockholder even though they have not direct managerial control over the company? That seems to be the basis of your argument and it is ridiculous. If that is what you believe, make the case for it, otherwise, you just seem to be as dense as sec and that’s why you both disagree.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Do you even consider how pathetic this drivel is before you type it?
EITHER he lied under oath or he’s lied to the people. So it’s a choice between him just being a typical lying repugnantklaner OR he’s a felon….what is it
If Romney had never been Governor of Massachusetts, he would not be considered a viable candidate for President- he’d essentially be a white Herman Cain. But he doesn’t want to talk about his four years as Governor.
He wants to talk about his business experience- except, with no details beyond “I was successful.” He doesn’t want anyone looking at his records. Just take his word for it, he was successful at creating jobs.
He wants to talk about how he “saved” the 2002 Olympics, except he doesn’t want us to look too closely. Specifically, he doesn’t want us to see how he “brilliantly” parlayed an unsecured loan of $1.3 Billion from the evil US Government (a “bailout?”) into his “rescue” of the games.
He’s a hollow man in an empty suit. Don’t we have that already?
Meh, Romney is an opportunist. He chose the R label because dear old dad was a Republican and because the Elephant Party more lines up with his economic needs. It turned out advantageous in MA because the Bay State is such a blue preserve the competition in the Republican Party is so much less; all the action is in the Donkey Party. Thus Mitt could breeze through the primaries, watch the Dems tear each other apart, and then run as a Moderate, middle of the (Mass) road pol and win.
Nationally on the other hand, Mitt had to run hard right and still came within an eyelash of loosing to an opponent most known for his Google Search result. But at heart Mitt is most likely a Main Street Republican- East Coast “elite” through and through. Being a Elephant is most likely just good business for Mitt.
Three Pinocchios – from the repugnantklan/teabagger/hallubrtonazi/kochwhores over at the Washington Post.
Wow, who would have thought WaPo would be the one to so quickly dismantle a talking point of the statist left. As I was reading through the post, I thought for sure I would have to go to WSJ to find the more complete story telling.
While Romney (and his campaign) definitely have little sense of how to cultivate winning PR with the average voter, the CEO image that Romney has with the average voter is exactly why this is not swiftboat material.
The swiftboating of Kerry was effective because it is the stuff that the common man truly reviles….traitorish behavior from a self-labeled hero.
To swiftboat Romney over corporate dealings is pretty much a yawn in common man land.
I think the liberals ought to go back to working the Seamus story.
Anyone who has had the misfortune of reading that paper’s economics reporting the last couple of decades.
1.”Wow, who would have thought WaPo would be the one to so quickly dismantle a talking point of the statist left. As I was reading through the post, I thought for sure I would have to go to WSJ to find the more complete story telling.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
2.”While Romney (and his campaign) definitely have little sense of how to cultivate winning PR with the average voter, the CEO image that Romney has with the average voter is exactly why this is not swiftboat material.”
Perhaps the average repugnantklan/teabagger voter. Those with even semi functioning brains recognize mittens for the scavanger he is.
3.”The swiftboating of Kerry was effective because it is the stuff that the common man truly reviles….traitorish behavior from a self-labeled hero.”
“traitorish” Do you even have any idea what the swiftboat liars even said?
4.”To swiftboat Romney over corporate dealings is pretty much a yawn in common man land.”
Well, if he were being “swiftboated” maybe since that would involve lies being told about him., However his OWN financial filings give the lie to his claims of non involvement. ALL he has to do is release tax statements to prove his innocence .
5.”I think the liberals ought to go back to working the Seamus story.”
Oh don’t worry, we haven’t forgotten that beauty either!
The arrogance of the Republicans posting here is giving me one of the biggest laughs of the week. And the Obamacandonowrongbots are having a similar effect.
This post has unleashed a war of Obamabot Drones versus Mittensbot Drones.
And this, my friends is a perfect example of one talking point against another with no actual communication happening.
YAWN…YAWN…YAWN to both sides, whose candidates totally suck and are in it for the benefit of their rich buddies and the corporations, the rest of the country be damned.
The arrogance of the Republicans posting here is giving me one of the biggest laughs of the week.
Glad I could give you a laugh today. It is only fair since I have gotten to laugh at liberals my entire life.
Well, conservatives are now the butt of all the jokes. Thanks George W. Bush for turning the GOP and the conservative movement in general to be something to laugh about.
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I don’t see why there is so much attention on this story. Truth be told, Bain did what most other US companies (especially the big ones like HP, Intel, Verizon, AOL, etc.) have been doing. I worked for a company that was bought by a big tech firm and the first thing they did was fire everyone and raid the pension. This is so common that the federal government did an earlier bailout called the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation. Lots of workers across the spectrum have lost pensions or been laid off due to mergers or outsourcing. If Obama had any business management experience he would likely have been involved in such things himself.
I’m not saying it is right, I’m just saying that this is how America does business.
And all of this “us” and “them” BS is just getting annoying–and it’s only July! We have months of this crap to look forward too.
It is an issue when someone is campaigning on his ability to create jobs when in fact that person spent most of his professional life destroying jobs.
Not to mention lying about it in official fiscal declarations(a FELONY) and to the American people during a Presidential campaign. But I suppose little details like that are SO tiresome to some.
“…lying… to the American people during a Presidential campaign”
Seriously? You actually wrote that? Too funny. Of course, all Democrats know that only Republicans lie (and vice versa). Same old same old. And yes, it IS tiresome.
I can’t speak for secularhumanizinevoluter’s expectations, but mine is that when a presidential candidate lies, he is called on it. That’s particularly true when he is running on his record in a particular field or endeavor, as Romney is about his “expertise” at finance, and he has lied about what he did while he was in that field.
If you lower your expectations to the point where politicians can lie to you without consequences, they will lie to you.
Well he either lied on one set of legal papers or the other…which is it?
Now that the allegation of criminal activity (committing a felony) is out there. Now what? Romney is a prvate citizen (he holds no current public office) so shouldn’t the normal process kick in? An investigation, grand jury, arrest, bail hearing, trial, punishment/confinement if found guilty?
Indeed….investigate, if there is evidence(and there is, old mittens own sworn and signed statements. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/13/mitt-romney-bain-sec_n_1671819.html indict and prosecute.
Meh Guyski, the clock may have run out, plus perjury is a very hard thing to prove. Don’t know if there is a statue of limitations on SEC filings. Besides the claim by Romney was a political claim; so again meh, no legal repercussion for Mitt. Still, the Magic Underwear Man took one hell of a hit below the water line. In a close election you can not afford to get hit by too many torpedoes Guyski, any drag is unacceptable.
Meanwhile, for those of you who are sick and tired of the bovine fecal matter being served up on a daily basis by the RepublicDem candidates who don’t give a rat’s turd about “common people”, the Green Party Convention is underway and you can watch it on C-SPAN, which is being streamed from the Green Party WebSite:
http://www.c-span.org/Events/Green-Party-Nominates-Presidential-Candidate/10737432256/
I am hoping that Taylor or Joyce or someone here gives it some attention because they are the ones who are truly interested in real change, and not bought and paid for by the banks, Wall Street and 1%.
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Thanks for the link, and yes, I agree with you and fangio that there are other choices besides the two miserable ones our major parties have given us. It’s time to look elsewhere for leadership.
I’m more concerned about what Obama is doing with MY money, than what Romney did with HIS.
What Romney does with HIS money, is an indication of how he will use YOUR money. Once he becomes president. So, its very important.
It seems Romney job history deals with shipping jobs over seas and hiding his loot in foreign banks. I don’t trust Romney nor Obama….I refuse to vote this election year. However, I will say that the more I learn about Romney the less I like the guy.
Didn’t job outsourcing begin with NAFTA?
I just do not see how this blame can be place squarely on Romney’s shoulders for running a business.
But then Obama has no idea what it is like to run a business.
Besides, I am sure he would rather talk about this instead of his dismal record as a president.
As far as having money in foreign banks, I suggest we all check our 401K’s before we launch that stone. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Nancy Pelosi and others all have money in foreign banks.
Obama has earned income from foreign investments so…
No outsourcing DID NOT begin with NAFTA. Outsourcing has been going on for decades. Textile jobs, for example, started leaving the country back in the 70′s and 80′s long before NAFTA came about. As long as corporations have been operating on the cheap labor model they are going to be sending jobs to other countries.
Everyone should be concerned with what Romney did with his money. The man, and those like him represent the decline of this country in the starkest terms. He is about money; accumulating money, hiding money, avoiding taxes ( at all costs ), stealing money from those who actually work for a living ( like his father worked for a living ). He is a symbol of everything that’s wrong with this country and everything that has been wrong for the last forty years. He is Gordon Gecko come to life, the chilling embodiment of the icy cold, money driven , white collar criminalization of our society. There was an article in the NYT business section dated Wednesday, July 11, 2012 with the title, ” The Spreading Scourge of Corporate Corruption. ” This is the future Mr. Romney will bring.
Fangio…I agree. I’ve been checking into Romney background, the stuff out their about this guy is shocking. The only people willing to vote for Romney is the uninformed and the anti-Obama groups. This election will come down to maybe a couple of million votes. I predicated it will be a close Presidential election. We have two candidates running that one half of the country hates (Obama) and the other half will despise ( Romney).
Right now, team Obama is defining Mitt Romney. Republicans have had three years to define Obama to the American people. So, this will be a brutal campaign year.
Well there is what he did with his money which is truly worthy of investigation….but then LYING about it on legal documents http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/13/mitt-romney-bain-sec_n_1671819.html is another kettle of rotten fish altogether.
What Obama has done over the last few years will negatively impact my finances.
I am about money and my career success it directly tied to wealth creation.
I prefer someone who encourages me to sign the check on the front and not the back…
If that is true….to quote one of the truly great minds of the wingnutesphere…..boo-friken-hoo. By and large it will help FAR more folks then it will negatively impact. Find another…maybe even an ethical way to earn your bread.
Sec, I work very hard to earn my own money legally and ethically.
I teach people to fish instead of giving them fish.
You sound like you want to punish the teacher.
I am tempted to call you a name but I see that you got in trouble up-thread for that type of behavior. Lol!
Well then perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to how what the Obama administration has done will negatively impact how your legal and ethical earnings? I mean after all, if you’re teaching people how to fish instead of giving them fish and all that.
“I am tempted to call you a name but I see that you got in trouble up-thread for that type of behavior. Lol!”
Not the first time, I’m sure it won’t be the last. I can’t help being accurate in my descriptions.
“What Obama has done over the last few years will negatively impact my finances.”-Sasha
And Mitt Romney plans to do with “everyone” finances is no better. Having two choose between two rotten apples (Obama & Romney), is not a choice.
I wish people would stop saying there are only two choices. The Green party, for the first time ever, has obtained the right to federal matching funds. They are on more state ballots than ever before and Jill Stein, their presidential candidate, presented her running mate at the National Press Club in the company of the major media organizations. Will they win, of course not, but it’s a chance to vote your beliefs, to break free from the yoke of the two party system, to make a statement, to start something, anything. Register as a Green, vote Green and contribute to the Greens. It’s about the country; not money, career and wealth creation. There are so many things wrong with this country that the present two party system simply cannot fix ; they can’t fix it because they are the problem. It’s a disease being fed by the virus that created it.
well put
Lol @ Mitt!
“I aint your punk Obama. You better google me.”
#no taxes