**updated**
GEORGE ZIMMERMAN CHARGED
WITH 2ND DEGREE MURDER
News breaking in the last hour…
Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey plans to announce as early as Wednesday afternoon that she is charging neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, according to a law enforcement official close to the investigation.
It was not immediately clear what charge Zimmerman will face.
From Frances Robles, Miami Herald writer, via Twitter: Source telling Miami Herald that there will be just one criminal charge filed.
Unless her investigation of the fatal shooting of Mr. Martin by a neighborhood watch coordinator, George Zimmerman, uncovers a great deal more solid evidence than has been disclosed, the case will remain a narrative Rorschach that each side will interpret as it wishes. Finding the criminal charges that can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, or deciding that Mr. Zimmerman’s account of defending himself in the face of deadly force places him within the protections of Florida’s Stand Your Ground law, Ms. Corey has undertaken an exercise that is unlikely to satisfy everyone.
“Factually, we know there was a killing,” said David LaBahn, the president of the Association of Prosecuting Attorneys. “Now the question is: Is it a murder, or a manslaughter, or a justifiable homicide? Is it an involuntary manslaughter? Is it an assault?”
Another angle being talked about is Sean Hannity’s involvement and whether he might be required to testify to what he and Zimmerman talked about.
Hannity of Fox News Channel last night, via Media Matters transcript:
HANNITY: I want to set the record straight about a couple of things. Now for a few weeks we have been pursuing an interview with Mr. Zimmerman to give him a chance to tell his side of the story. Now yesterday I was contacted by an individual that we in fact believe was George Zimmerman. He reached out to me, we spoke on the phone about his case, and I agreed not to report on the contents of that conversation. That’s it. I know nothing about his relationship with his now former attorneys.
What an unbelievable mess the Sanford Police Department created by botching this investigation from the beginning. It reminds me of another case cops blew.
I lived through the O.J. Simpson trial in Los Angeles. In fact, I saw Nicole Brown Simpson with her children at a trendy bistro in her neighborhood several times, once when she was wearing dark sunglasses, with her face obviously puffy from crying, though that doesn’t mean this particularly time it was from the obvious assumption. I followed that trial scrupulously, as did many women I knew.
When the verdict was announced, I was at work at the LA Weekly.
Beyond my world, it was absolutely true that opinion broke down along racial lines.
We often speculated what might have happened if there hadn’t been a change of venue and Simpson was tried by his true peers, the glamorous and wealthy set that inhabited Brentwood and the ritzy neighboring.
As the Times mentions, the case could be reduced to a Rorschach.
I still maintain that without George Zimmerman’s pursuit of Trayvon Martin, with Stand Your Ground as a foundation, the young teen might not have died so needlessly.
Finally. This is what I call Justice on the back of a turtle.
This will be must-see Court TV. How do they expect to find a jury?
“How do they expect to find a jury?”
You are first assuming a motion to dismiss on self-defense immunity is not granted. Although, now that Zimmerman seems to have lost his wits and is apparently representing himself, who knows if he will know enough to file the motion.
I am not only interested in the charge, but moreso what evidence Corey has that we don’t.
Surely he is not so stupid as to try to represent himself. Perhaps someone with sense around him will tell him that.
Is that the first procedural motion when Stand Your Ground is the defense?
Wow! Color me surprise…I can’t wait to see all the “real” evidence come out in a court of law. Right now, all we have is the media pushing their different views of the supposed evidence.
I imagine Zimmerman is scared shitless. No matter how this goes, it will not be good for him.
1) He is convicted and goes to jail forever.
2) Convicted, gets out, gets murdered.
3) Is acquitted and gets murdered.
So all of your concern is for the racist trigger happy vigilante? How touching Mr. Liberal.
Exactly the comment I would expect from you Solo.
Soon we will know more… but you insist on using the racist term.. what is new.
The DOJ is investigating a possible hate crime. Do you not trust Eric Holder and company to do their job properly before you assume racism is involved?
You are the typical phoney liberal. When pressed you might admit racism exist in the abstract but when presented with an actually example it’s another story. For the record I don’t give a damn what you think of me. If you don’t like my opinions that’s your problem not mine. My assessment is based on what Zimmerman actually said on the 911 tapes that were released to the public. He made a slew of assumptions about Trayvon Martin based on the fact that he was black. He must be on drugs, he’s up to no good and these “fucking” guys always get away. That’s racism pure and simple, I know in your world all a bigot has to do is not say the N-word and it’s all good as far as your concerned but for others the bar is a tad bit lower.
Keep up Solo.
Apparently you missed NBC’s admission that their producer edited the tapes to make Zimmerman appear racist.
How does my comment make me a phony liberal? I understand that you are upset, just do not understand why my comment means I am a phony liberal…..
I was impressed with Corey today and now there have been charges brought against Zimmerman. He is in custody, and I presume that at some point there will be a trial. We will find out if this was a hate crime.
All I have ever said is that we need to let the justice system prevail. Based upon Corey’s comments, the system may have prevailed even without the media frenzy. But, we will never know.
I will make a deal with you. You promise never to complain about sexism and I promise never to complain about racism.
Hehe, gotta love you, Solo. How did you read my statements and deduce that all of my concern is for Zimmerman? I know Martin’s parents and in pain, and it is a pain that will never heal. They are probably and should be feeling a fair amount of guilt for not guiding their son better. I know a bunch of good kids and parents from all races, poor and not poor, and you can bet your sweet ass that if one of those kids came home with gold thug teeth, their asses would be in the car to the dentist as soon as possible.
Fixed this for you Robert.
I imagine Zimmerman is scared shitless. No matter how this goes, it will not be good for him.
1) He is convicted and goes to jail forever, gets murdered.
2) Convicted, gets out, gets murdered.
3) Is acquitted and gets murdered.
I think you have it right, Sasha. Now let’s discuss how many get maimed and murdered if no charges or insufficient charges are brought.
Yes let’s go there with the blacks are gonna riot.
And you think they wouldn’t? It would be absolute bedlam, and not just in Sanford.
Have you ever heard of the Stonewall riots?
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And people think gay men can’t be racist.
And people think gay men can’t be racist.
They do? With Andrew Sullivan around to disavow them of that notion? Crazy!
“I still maintain that without George Zimmerman’s pursuit of Trayvon Martin, with Stand Your Ground as a foundation, the young teen might not have died so needlessly.”
Absolutely. And without question. And Zimmerman was told NOT TO PURSUE.
I tend to agree with this as well.. Let’s see what the charge is … Really curious… about how the media has impacted this case from the beginning.
Stand your ground, whitepaw.
Check updates…
Here is another stand your ground case. Checkout how differently the authorities react when the shooter is black and the person he says he’s defending himself from is white. http://www.salon.com/2012/04/11/when_stand_your_ground_fails/
I rememebr the Duke LaCross Rape Case -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
Jesse Jackson and other “civil rights” leaders and groups were there. Politicians were exploiting this case at the time as well. The goal is Justice not “please everyone”. Nancy Grace did not bother to show up for work after the people allegedly involved were aquitted. These Duke students were also convicted and assumed guilty by the same “experts” analysts and “civil rights” leaders and groups as are judging Zimmerman today. Zimmerman should be considered innocent until all the facts are revealed and he gets a fair trial. The new black panthers along with the other idiots carrying signs that say “No Justice, No Peace” are good examples of people exploiting this case The entire NBC coverage of this tragedy will surley keep them at the very bottom tier of rating and prestige.
Nobody died in the Duke you ass!
Nobody died in the Duke case, however promising lives and careers were changed forever.
Death is not a requirement for tragic results.
Solo, what did MJ say to have you call her/him an ass? Yesterday it was fool and asshole, and today it’s racist and ass. What exactly are you doing to foster any kind of civil dialog and understanding?
Stay classy there, Solo.
mjsmith…How is a “rape” case similar to charges of shooting an unarmed teenager? Zimmerman will not be charged for a rape…the woman in the Duke case was caught lying and used race as a cover up. While in this case Zimmerman stalked an unarmed teenager he deemed “suspicious” looking. Why did Zimmerman ignore the 911 operator and confronted the kid?…What was Zimmerman motivation for following this child?….some assume it was racially motivated…others felt Martin could have been up to no good that day etc…
All these questions will be answered in a court of law.
Marie, you lose credibility when you use a loaded word like stalked.
So people have to sugarcoat their opinions in your world? There are some words that can’t be used? There are some issues that can’t be talked about? How progressive of you. Tell me, when Matthew Sheppard was beaten and left to die tied to a fence did you deny that was a bias attack. Did you show the same concern for the safety of his killers that your showing for George Zimmerman?
Absolutely not. You do not have to sugarcoat your language. The spicier the better, but that can be done without direct name calling of the people with whom you are having a dialog.
Rick Roberts ….I didn’t know as anonymous poster I was held in such high esteem by you…to lose “Credibility”…so what do I get a life sentence…for stating the point that Zimmerman had no busy following this kid around. Had Treyvon been a young female on her way home that day and was stop by Zimmerman and resisted him… I bet many more people would say he stalked the kid. Because Martin was a young male being followed by a strange man carrying a guy…people refuse to say it. But that is just my opinion…and according to you I am not allowed to have an opinion…are I lose all credibility….Whatever!
And since when neighborhood watch carry guns?…Why was a guy who assaulted a police officer and a former girlfriend allowed to be part of the neighborhood watch?….so, many questions about this man need to be answered…
Zimmerman STALKED Trayvon AFTER being told to back off. Stalked and shot to death an unarmed 17 year old.
“Why was a guy who assaulted a police officer and a former girlfriend allowed to be part of the neighborhood watch?”
better question is why was a PROVEN violent person with an anger management problem and demonstrated contempt for the law given a carry permit?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What……are……all…….these…….periods…….between…..your……sentences?
Is that a special internet way of writing?
Correction: business not busy
I agree, the Sanford Police should be blamed in this situation as well, they should have charged him in the first place. I just hate the way the media has acted in this situation from editing tapes to celebrities tweeting addresses that could put other peoples lives in danger. I just hope for justice for Treyvon, Zimmerman should have just stayed home, and not go after Treyvon,we will have to listen and see the evidence to know all what happened.
Alrighty then. Zimmerman will have world class defense attorneys. I will send money.
Stay classy there Rick.
He’s going to need all the help he can get to have a fair trial. The pressure on the court — as it has been on the prosecutors — will be immense.
I’m pretty sure there will be plenty around the country to help him. If he is guilty, he will get the the punishment he deserves.
What we do know is that the country is set for a circus the next couple of years. Yeehaw!
I try. It’s hard with the likes of you around, but jeebus knows I try.
WOW.. So impressed with Angela Corey… I suspect she must have some major evidence against Zimmerman… She is very impressive in how she handled the press conference.
Now we await the trial to see the evidence.
I wonder what the DOJ will decide re: a hate crime.
Just shows how the media should not be trying any cases at all, and that we need to wait for our justice system to do its job.
I am not certain that the the initial prosecutor would have decided any differently… We will never know. My opinion is that this case still blew up much more than it needed to… by MSM and new media.
Yes, Corey was very impressive. My own family knows all too well how seriously the prosecutors take their business.
I retract that statement upon further reflection.
Zimmerman’s bounty is in the prison system and he will be killed before this case makes it to trial.
Good god Sasha, come back to the real world will ya.
You think Zimmerman will be safe in prison angeles?
I don’t.
He better hope he makes bail.
They may just grant him bail, but how could he possibly make a living before his trial?
I don’t think the guy has ever held down a job so I don’t know how he was paying his bills even before this came up.
And what do you base this opinion on? You think in a high profile case like this he will just be walking around in the general population in jail? He will be a lot safer locked up then walking around in public. Also, someone charged with second degree murder should get no bail.
I just read “How long will Zimmerman last in jail?” is trending on twitter:?
He is in regular county jail.
And there you have it folks.
The reason the Trayvon Martin case become a media frenzy:
“Go to the polls and VOTE in November so this won’t happen again”, preached Pastor Jamal Bryant from the pulpit, oops I mean Trayvon press conference.
Now it ALL makes sense.
Do you have a citation, Sasha?
I had the MSNBC extended version of the press conference on my tv.
Pastor Bryant spoke near the end and when he said it, everyone in the church leaped to their feet and shouted and clapped.
They are going to fundraise on this. If the evidence shows that Zimmerman stalked and murdered that kid, I will be the first one to say send his ass to jail forever, but I have a really hard time believing that’s how it went down. I encounter too many young men like Trayvon Martin to believe that’s how it went down. These young men live to harass, irritate, offend, and intimidate. They love it.
You gotta be fucking kidding me.
Rick is full of SHIT.. Please don’t pay him any attention.
“These young men …”
What young men? Teenagers? Teenagers who are trying to “look cool” so they can be part of the teenager tribe at school? Or is your problem just with black teenagers?
I admit that teenagers can drive anyone crazy, but please keep in mind that we were all there once too and I’m sure that there were adults who were sometimes tempted to shoot us (I include YOU here Rick).
It is truly remarkable that in this law and order country just how many people even on this supposedly progressive site, are more concerned with the comfort & well-being of the perpetrator, and could not care less about the victims of the crime.
Ram, I think it would be disturbing if Zimmerman were killed prior to being given a fair trial.
Mob mentality lead by the media is very dangerous and may cause violence to erupt in many different groups of people.
Well…he’s nor a white female with blue eyes and blonde hair……
Sandmann, I think you are jaded by the angelic pictures of pretty little 12-year old Trayvon that media continue to post. Trayvon was a thug in the making. His parents should be ashamed for letting him get those gold thug teeth and not keeping a closer eye on him. What the hell were they doing anyway?
Rick, who the fuck cares. I don’t care if he was riding shotgun with Tupac. NO ONE has the right to stalk someone, prompt an altercation, shot someone then claim stand your ground. Maybe if Zimmerman stood his fat ass in the Truck this whole affair would be moot. You are a fucking idiot. Have you seen the average teenager theses days (Black, white..whatever). Even justin beiber cant seem to keep his pants above his great divide…does that make him a thug as well? You are trying to justify the unjustifiable….defend the indefensible. All of your arguments are fucking idiotic So, based on how someone looks, they should be denied due process? Well if thats the case, the next time Im in Florida, Rush Limbauh watch out.
Dafederalist, if you live like a thug, you’re going to die like a thug. That is the hard truth, and these parents need to get it into their kids’ heads. Justin Bieber, too. Why in the hell is he promoting thug culture? I saw it, and it sickened me.
I see teenagers all day everyday. Oh, yes. Good parents know where their kids are and what they’re doing. Gold teeth? Please. Suspended for 10 days for drug possession and still allowed out of the house? Never. I wish we could play the tape on an alternate reality in which Trayvon never encountered Zimmerman. I wonder how he would have turned out. I think I know.
Rick Roberts’ utopia
Actually, yes, Sandmann. The officers stopped the dude and told him he fit the description of someone who had committed a 415, or whatever crime. The black dude lost his mind as the officers did their job, and then they continued on. The black dude kept running his mouth. At phantoms!
If you owned property in that neighborhood, would you expect anything less of the police? Dude.
So we have the words of Ricky Roberts as to what makes a thug.
Fake gold teeth = Thug.
Wears a hoodie = Thug.
Wears his pants down low = Thug.
Listens to hip hop and rap music = Thug.
Happens to be a young black man = Thug.
Maybe smoked a little pot = Thug.
Walking from the store back to his house with a bag of Skittles and a drink = Thug.
See, Ricky knew all along Trayvon was a thug and must have got what he deserved.
You are one sick puppy Rick.
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What inflammatory language?
The same language you goad people like Solo to use so they get modded or banned when you cry foul.
Got caught up in your own game. Tsk Tsk Tsk
I don’t remember what my comment was. I wish I had a screenshot or something. How am I to know not to repeat the mistake? Anyone remember what I said?
If I can’t get a reminder or some guidance from Taylor, then I’m outta here. Some of you will be so happy.
You think Solo needs goading? Ha!
Shame on you, Taylor. Shame.
Yes, and yes, and yes, and yes, and yes. Yes to all those questions.
If I am wrong on all this when the trial comes, I hope you all pummel me silly. I won’t be wrong.
This is being split between racial lines from what I have been reading on the net. Its not helping with Sean Hannity using The New Black Panthers every chance he gets to MSNBC with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson saying hateful things. It seems people are throwing lighter fluid to the flames and alot of people are going to get hurt because of it.
Sharpton and Jackson are race pimps. They are smart men and should be ashamed.
We constantly mention the “NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY” but what of the NEO Nazis?
I stated earlier that the mainstream media is not covering the NBPP or the Skinheads who have tried to take this case hostage. I have only heard Sean Hannity mention both of these groups.
Check out the commentary over at Fox News.
I imagine it’s pretty bad. I won’t go there.
You would fit right in.
Oh, fuck off.
Well Ricky, after reading the stuff you have posted over the last month about this issue, all I can say is, you are just another white boy racist. I can’t say it any other way considering the things you have stated on this site.
You should try re-reading me with an open mind … if you have it in you.
You are trying to belittle me by adding a y to my name, but I wear it with pride. At least I use my real name and show my face.
The thing is Rick, you don’t fool me. I belong to a big family and have brothers who think just like you, so I’ve seen first hand how racists think. I will never change their minds so I just ignore them as much as possible.
As far as my name, I’ve been coming here for a lot longer then you and the old timers here know exactly what my name means.
You must have changed your name. I don’t recall seeing you but just lately. If you are an old-timer, why protect your identity. How should we address you? I’ve been around since spring/summer 2008. I have a pretty sharp mind but don’t remember you.
Come on angels81…I mean the kid….OOPS thug was carrying SKITTLES fer jeebus crispies sakes…..livin tha thug life fer sure!!!
Sec…..did….you…catch….that….same……internet….way…..of….typing….disease?
I mean, what the fuck? What is that thing where you all put the trailing periods everywhere? C’mon. Remember back to your favorite English teacher. Surely you had one, right?
Just saw Zimmerman’s new attorney interviewed on TV and he has already earned my respect. Regardless the outcome, he is demonstrating compassion for the victim’s family, and he is not using the media try to prove his client’s innocence or guilt. He is proposing we let the legal process work and not try this in the media.
My heart goes out to Treyvon Martin’s family.
Rick, often I agree with you. However when you make statements like this:
“I encounter too many young men like Trayvon Martin to believe that’s how it went down.
These young men “live to harass, irritate, offend, and intimidate. They love it.”
it shows that you believe you know how other people are based on your own prejudice. That is a huge problem in our society today – stereotyping and judging people.
Whom to believe, Alice? You or my lying eyes? Been to downtown Atlanta lately?
Whitepaw, it seems to me that a hate crime would pretty much requires premeditation or deliberation to be established as such and the second degree charge brought by Corey stops short of that. I would think if the Feds had something going in that direction, Corey would have some inkling.
As it is, she has now got to establish intent to kill as opposed to merely reacting to circumstances. This pretty much requires that Zimmerman was untouched by Martin before pulling the trigger. Without video or some witness statement not previously revealed, it is beyond me how she will establish the intent, short of calling Taylor Marsh to the witness stand to establish felonious intent.
“As it is, she has now got to establish intent to kill as opposed to merely reacting to circumstances. This pretty much requires that Zimmerman was untouched by Martin before pulling the trigger.”
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No. She. Doesn’t. Seriously, where do you guys get this stuff? Here is the definition of murder in the second degree, taken directly from the FL statute:
“Imminently dangerous” and “depraved mind” are defined in jury instructions, explained here. Punchline: “Note that prosecutors do not have to prove the defendant intended to cause death, Florida’s jury instructions state.”
All in all, sounds like this ended up in the right place. I think he pleads it out, and cops to manslaughter.
OK, sorry for not dismembering my logic for you word by word, so let’s play your cut and paste game and I’ll show you how I arrived at “intent” being what needs to be proven.
From the very link you imbedded……..
• A “person of ordinary judgment” would know the act, or series of acts, “is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily injury to another”
• The act is “done from ill will, hatred, spite, or an evil intent”; and
• The act is “of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life.”
We only need to debate the second condition to get to whether Corey does or doesn’t need to prove intent BRD……
Ill will, hatred or spite………beyond a reasonable doubt, the defendant developed and demonstrated an observable ill will/hatred/spite towards the deceased in a matter of 17 minutes or so.
Let’s see what you have going for your prosecution…….he followed him, he muttered they always get away and he muttered f***g something that is not plainly decipherable.
You can keep your three o
ther choices, but I will go for “evil INTENT” given the choices available……….and now that I am reminded the adjective “evil” is also in there, I think Corey has simply taken a flyer on this one for political circumstances.
I will leave this for the other posters to ponder……..if you have second degree murder charges wrapped up in a bow for your case, are these the words you use to publicly address the self-defense plea by the accused…………• Corey called the law “a tough affirmative defense to overcome,” but she said, “If ‘Stand Your Ground’ becomes an issue, we will fight that affirmative defense.”………was that we will “overcome, defeat, readily rebutt, turn back??……no, we will simply put up a fight. Why the hell would Zimmerman think about “copping a plea” against such a less than confident position on his existing plea of self-defense.
Dude, that’s still wrong. Angela Corey just has to prove that he had some sort of “evil intent,” but she does not have to prove that he intended to kill Trayvon. Which is what you said. There’s a lot of room between “evil intent” and “intent to kill.”
In fact, she doesn’t even have to prove evil intent. She can rest on “ill will.” It’s a facially compelling case when we have him on tape cursing Trayvon out, saying “they always get away with out,” then following Trayvon by car and on foot with his nina tucked in his waistband. You think he did all that to walk Trayvon home?!?
I’m not saying this will be an easy case to prove. But this element of the crime is not difficult, even without the benefit of additional facts Ms. Corey surely has in her possession.
The judge dismisses or the jury acquits. Wanna bet sex?
Sounds about right.
But NONE of this would be happening were it not for the sustained uproar. And it has been another one of those depressingly regular revelations how quickly the knee jerk racist reactions come pouring out of supposed liberal/progressives. Brings back memories of the last presidential primary and the reactions of much of the progressive blogeshere.
And that doesn’t even begin to take into account the plain ol trolls!
Oh, bullshit. There was an investigation underway.
Rick, per your request regarding:
“Go to the polls and VOTE in November so this won’t happen again”, preached Pastor Jamal Bryant from the pulpit, oops I mean Trayvon press conference.
@ the 22:00 mark in the video.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/politicsnation/47023022#47023022
Uh-Oh, now you know there is a difference between run-of-the-mill teenage rebellion and the wholesale buying into thug culture. The former is annoying; the latter is dangerous and destructive.
Watching it now, Sasha. Thank you. Just heard that huckster Sharpton say that only the facts should matter. Let’s all hold him to that through this process. I absolutely agree with him. Only the facts should matter.
Poor Uncle Al.
Zimmerman has been charged in the 2nd degree with no bond.
Attorney’s Corey and O’Mara both seem level headed and are not playing to the media.
What is he going to talk about on his show now?
both of his viewers are going to be so disappointed
http://www.theroot.com/views/why-don-t-we-talk-about-white-white-crime
Here’s a little slap in the face from reality for all those who regurgitate the meme about black on black crime and black on white crime. Repeating those rightwing buzz points without doing a little digging, accepting anecdotal “you should see them 2where I live” kinds of crap is plain old racism. Hurts to be called out I know, but if you really do give a damn about the country or justice you really ought to own up to your own failings and faults and learn and grow.
Sec, does math make your wittle head hurt? Here is the key quote from the Root article: “As the largest racial group, whites commit the majority of crimes in America.” Duh! Revelation.
That is absolutely true. No argument. Whites are the majority race for now, and it follows that they commit the majority of the crime. Blacks, however, commit a vastly disproportionate percentage of the crime relative to their meager 12 – 13% of the population. This includes all forms of violent crime and particularly property crimes. Property crimes are just the sort that Zimmerman and his neighbors were absolutely sick of.
Now would you like the links to the FBI tables, or would you prefer to look them up yourself?
Statistical analysis is that hard part of math. I understand. Ratios aren’t quite as hard. Did you understand ratios in school?
Here is a nice little list with the ratios already worked out for you from the FBI’s most recent uniform crime report:
- The average black commits murder about 7.1 times more often than the average “white”. White in this context includes white hispanics, meaning that white is actually over represented.
- The average black commits interracial murder about 13.8 times more often than the average white (again, white includes hispanics)
- The average black kills a white 15.9 times more often than the reverse.
- Weapons violations are committed by blacks at nearly 5 times the rate for whites.
- Blacks are caught receiving or buying stolen property at nearly 5 times the rate for whites.
- Blacks are involved in prostitution at almost 4 times the rate for whites.
- Blacks are arrested for drug crimes at over 4 times the rate for whites.
- Blacks are more than three times as likely as whites to be caught at forgery, counterfeiting, and fraud, and almost three times as likely to be caught at embezzlement.
- Blacks are more than 3 times as likely to be thieves as whites.
- Blacks are more than 4 times as likely to commit assault as whites.
- Blacks are almost 4.5 times as likely to steal a motor vehicle.
- Blacks are more than 5 times as likely to commit forcible rape as whites.
- Blacks are over 8 times as likely to commit murder as whites.
- Blacks are more than 10 times as likely to commit robbery as whites.
- Nearly 25% of all black males between the ages of 20 and 29 are in jail or on probation. This does not include those wanted or awaiting trial.
- For all violent crimes considered together, blacks are almost 5.5 times more likely to commit violent criminal acts than whites.
There you have it. You’re the one who brought it up. There is a reason people are frightened, suspicious, and fed up.
I’m just curious what year your membership card from the Klan is dated?
Y’know, Sec, you can say things like that, or you can acknowledge the truth and the very real fear and antagonism that is based on that truth.
Sweeping it under the rug has not and will not get us anywhere. Of course, there are hard sociological and cultural reasons for the violence and crime, but it is not racist to acknowledge the truth. And I, or you by accepting the facts, are not saying that race is the reason. Race is not the reason. I don’t believe that for a minute.
Would you like for me to show my work? My math teachers used to always want that part.
Sec, did you even read the comments below the Root article? Many of the commenters are sympathetic to the author’s motives but ridicule the sloppiness. Arguments like that are an insult to intelligent readers and a disservice to those he wishes to help. Shame on you, too.
The readership composition of this blog does not lend itself to a meaningful discussion of the larger narrative. Ideologues are never going to be the people to refine the law in a manner that works to reduce incidences of taking lives without neutering the original intent of this law to give some protection to would be victims of plain as day violent crime.
The law today is what it is……it is not the job of the state prosecution to attempt to promote any change to the social narrative whether they think the circumstances involve an elfin 12 year old Skittles eater or an aspiring gangsta trying to show he won’t be intimidated by no damn honky Hispanic watching him.
Well, if it makes it past the judge, I hope the jury is intelligent and receptive (I know, I know). I am very interested in hearing all of the evidence.
Ideologues are never going to be the people to refine the law in a manner that works to reduce incidences of taking lives without neutering the original intent of this law to give some protection to would be victims of plain as day violent crime.
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We rarely agree, but on this you are absolutely right. Just not in the way you think.
Enlighten us, O, sage!
Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Arrest Affidavit “Irresponsible And Unethical”