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DOJ Under Civil Rights Pressure, as Zimmerman Moves Against NBC

Attorney General Eric Holder has never shown courage in his office, so believing the Administration would do it now is folly. [Official US Embassy photo, used under fair use application]

Attorney General Eric Holder has never shown courage on civil rights, so believing the Administration would do it now is folly. [Official US Embassy photo, used under fair use application]

CIVIL RIGHTS activists took to streets in cities across the country in protest over the not guilty verdict of George Zimmerman. The verdict now releasing the stay on Zimmerman’s defamation suit against NBC Universal, which James Beasley, Zimmerman’s attorney, has now stated will move forward “in earnest asap.”

Washington Post reporting:

According to Zimmerman attorney James Beasley, the case against NBC News was stayed pending the outcome of the criminal case. Now that’s out of the way, and Beasley is ready to proceed. “We’re going to start in earnest asap, we just have to get the stay lifted which is a ministerial act,” says Beasley, a Philadelphia lawyer, via e-mail.

When asked how the not-guilty verdict affects the civil case against NBC News, Beasley responded, “This verdict of not guilty is just that, and shows that at least this jury didn’t believe that George was a racist, profiling, or anything that the press accused George of being. That probably doesn’t get you that much but it’s simply time for us to start the case and hold accountable anyone who was irresponsible in their journalism.”

To recap, the tape played on the air had been edited, with two employees fired for the actions, which was alleged to be unintentional. There is no evidence yet that NBC Universal sanctioned the editing. Another wrinkle with the lawsuit now is that George Zimmerman is a public person, which raises the bar considerably on defamation.

The edited version played on the air by NBC Universal of George Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

The full tape was as follows:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

The quote above by Zimmerman’s attorney Mr. Beasley is highlighted in bold because this is not what the jury found in their not guilty verdict. In fact, as I’ve already written, if the prosecution had argued racial profiling, not by playing the race card but by simply quoting Zimmerman himself, as well as the conversations he had with people like Olivia Bertalan, the outcome of the trial could have been different.

The fact that the state didn’t emphasize racial profiling and that George Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin based on preconceived suspicions he had because Martin was wearing a hoodie and was African American is reason that the Obama Department of Justice could bring a civil rights case against George Zimmerman, though it wouldn’t be easy.

Therein lies your answer as to whether A.G. Eric Holder will move forward. There has never been one glimpse of moral courage under Eric Holder’s leadership.

President Obama has also never chosen to wade into the racial divisions in our country or wanted to fight for African Americans overtly citing civil rights. His statement after the not guilty verdict seems to close the door on any further discussion on the obvious racial components still untapped in the killing of Trayvon Martin.

Thinking that Obama’s statement was distancing himself so that the DOJ could bring civil rights charges against George Zimmerman, who clearly racially profiled Trayvon Martin, would be hoping for moral courage from a president who has not shown any towards the subject of race since he was elected. If that sounds harsh, I make no apology. Whatever Barack Obama once was a citizen advocate he lost a long time ago.

The ongoing investigations by the DOJ is unlikely to lead to civil rights charges unless the public outcry forces the Obama administration’s hand. The outpouring that would require hasn’t been met yet.

The Obama administration will not bring a civil rights case for the fight alone. They must be certain they will win.

“…fucking punks. These assholes, they always get away.”George Zimmerman

Thousands marched across America against the not guilty verdict and on behalf of civil rights. [Picture from person in New York at rally]

Thousands marched across America against the not guilty verdict and on behalf of civil rights. [Picture from person at New York rally.]

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66 Responses to DOJ Under Civil Rights Pressure, as Zimmerman Moves Against NBC

  1. Ramsgate July 15, 2013 at 11:17 am #

    The “left” wants it; the “right” doesn’t. The Obama administration will “appease” the left with the crumbs of a so called “investigation” but count on it, they are never challenging the RIGHT. Too scared of Fox News. :-)

    • Taylor Marsh July 15, 2013 at 11:29 am #

      With Obama being told he should stay away from the immigration fight, with him agreeing to do so because he feels no choice, jumping in to a real civil rights fight will be something the Obama guard dogs will fight to their rhetorical deaths.

  2. Taylor Marsh July 15, 2013 at 11:25 am #

    If anyone happened to be watching MSNBC just a few minutes ago with Thomas Roberts (whom I always try to catch on air), it was AMAZING.

    Roberts said he’d lead “I am other” conversation on MSNBC if he possibly could, challenging the network on civil rights well beyond Trayvon Martin, including LGBT, and Melissa Harris Perry, who was his guest, just said she’d co-host the event with him.

    The “I Am Other” campaign born.

  3. T-Steel July 15, 2013 at 11:26 am #

    “President Obama has also never chosen to wade into the racial divisions in our country or wanted to fight for African Americans overtly citing civil rights. His statement after the not guilty verdict seems to close the door on any further discussion on the obvious racial components still untapped in the killing of Trayvon Martin.”

    Oh my oh my Taylor. Your statement is RICH in directions to run with. I have was just talking about this with some family members and all pretty much said the same thing:

    “The first black POTUS does not want to be seen as on the side of his race. That makes him President of Black America and the Race Man in Chief.”

    That’s a killer and let me tell you, I’ve seen that play out in the work place where that black person that moves into a higher position in a majority white environment walks on egg shells to make SURE they don’t seen as “racial”. President Obama will and has backed off. Your right, citizen advocate and community organizer ways are gone. Big chair rules control the POTUS. If folks in FL want to “get ‘er done”, it’s on them in my opinion.

    • Taylor Marsh July 15, 2013 at 11:30 am #

      Not surprised at what you describe in your world. So true.

    • ogenec July 15, 2013 at 4:55 pm #

      This is patently absurd. Did Obama walk on egg shells when he made the race speech in Philadelphia? Or during Troopergate? Or when he said Trayvon would look like his son if he had one?

      I understand fully that this a website more or less devoted to documenting Obama’s supposed failings. But coming hard on the heels of a heart-rending verdict (albeit one correctly rendered from a legal perspective), this is a little much to swallow. As is the picking of a fight with Jonathan Capeheart. I watched him on MSNBC, and that allegation is just dead wrong. Capeheart was not apologizing for Obama; he was speaking to the essential truth of the duality of the black man’s existence, eloquently described over a hundred years ago by W.E.B. Du Bois in The Souls of Black Folk:

      “[T]he Negro is a sort of seventh son, born with a veil, and gifted with second-sight in this American world, –a world which yields him no true self-consciousness, but only lets him see himself through the revelation of the other world. It is a peculiar sensation, this double-consciousness, this sense of always looking at one’s self through the eyes of others, of measuring one’s soul by the tape of a world that looks on in amused contempt and pity. One ever feels his twoness,–an American, a Negro; two souls, two thoughts, two unreconciled strivings; two warring ideals in one dark body, whose dogged strength alone keeps it from being torn asunder.”

      On Saturday and in the following commentary, all black men learned a bitter lesson anew: That no matter what you do, you will always be an Other. That your basic humanity will be denied you, and that you can never overcome the presumption that you are a menace to be put down at the earliest opportunity. That’s the “tape of the world” that is still used to measure us, 110 years after Du Bois wrote the words above. I’m not sure anyone who is not a black man can fully comprehend the kind of searing pain that results from having one’s worst fears confirmed thusly. It means there is no escape, no refuge, no place to turn for relief. And for me, the worry is not so much for me, but for the young man in my avatar. My goal in life is to pour into my hopes, my confidence, my dreams and aspirations into him, to have him mature into a man of exemplary character who is quick to laugh and slow to think ill of anyone. That job just got a little bit harder, I’m afraid. But no matter – A luta continua. “The struggle continues,” as Melissa Harris-Perry’s father always reminded her.

      The souls of black folk are grieving. Now is NOT the time to pick a fight on twitter or distort someone’s statements into your preferred narrative. If you cannot be a part of the healing process, then just leave us be. As Frederick Douglass famously said when asked “What shall we do with the Negro?”: “Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us!”

      • whitepaw July 15, 2013 at 6:04 pm #

        I love your post Ogenec. Of course I cannot empathize (as a white woman), but I can certainly try to understand more than I have in the past. Thanks for posting this.

      • Taylor Marsh July 15, 2013 at 7:41 pm #

        ogenec July 15, 2013 at 4:55 pm

        I will continue to call out what I find false, as I did with Jonathan Capehart today, and write on civil rights in this country, which is from the heart of an issue I grew up experiencing, including busing at my high school that goes back to when I lived in St. Louis, Missouri.

        I learned more through my brother, who was at the center of the Missouri cases on busing as well.

        The picture above illustrates that there are white, Hispanic, Asian Americans also grieving along with African Americans, who no doubt feel this far more intensely than a white girl like myself. That doesn’t mean we all aren’t grieving, too, and you have no right to come here and say otherwise.

        If you cannot embrace the reality that this goes beyond the African American community, which obviously takes the direct hit every day and that many of us are fighting for what young black males experience, too, even though we’re not of your color, then this isn’t the site you should be opining on and your disrespect is unwelcome.

        • dafederalist July 17, 2013 at 2:43 am #


      • secularhumanizinevoluter July 16, 2013 at 6:08 pm #

        “If you cannot be a part of the healing process, then just leave us be. As Frederick Douglass famously said when asked “What shall we do with the Negro?”: “Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us!””

        If Trayvon Martin could be shot down simply for walking while Black it…while directly IS a racial killing….concerns ANYone who gives a rats ass about justice and the Constitutional Rights we all SHOULD enjoy.
        So with all due respect(snark alert) F—k off.

  4. mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 11:48 am #

    Looks like NBC will have to settle and apologize to Zimmerman. Holder will make every effort to distract how poory he and the rest of the Obama Administration are doing. Can’t let a good crisis go to waste. There is no evidence that Zimmerman violated anyone’s Civil Rights. Just as the re was no evidence that Zimmerman committed 2cnd degree murder.

    The evidence clearly shows that Zimmerman had a person on top of him when he fired his gun. It is clear that Zimmerman was attacked.

    As far as racial profiling goes, Zimmerman was described by his attacker as a “creepy ass craker.”

    NBC has done such a poor, unqualified, and irresponsible job in covering this story they are going to face severe legal consequences.

    • PeggySue July 15, 2013 at 12:29 pm #

      “It is clear that Zimmerman was attacked.”

      And how is that clear? No one saw the entire altercation except George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. One witness, the one who was unarmed, is dead. The other claimed self-defense, yet his injuries did not substantiate the claim. Bring a gun to a fistfight and the end result is pretty much a given.

      It’s my understanding that George Zimmerman wasn’t even on patrol duty that evening, merely cruising through the neighborhood on his way to the store. George Zimmerman was the one who got out of the car and followed Trayvon Martin after being given instructions precisely ‘not’ to do that.

      What we know in clear terms is: Trayvon Martin is dead. George Zimmerman shot him. This shooting did not have to happen.

      I’ve worked on a security patrol in my own neighborhood. The job of the volunteer is to ‘report’ suspicious activity to local police, not to act on said suspicion.

      • Ga6thDem July 15, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

        Zimmerman is a sociopath who thinks he’s more important than he is. He obviously believes himself to be on the level of a police officer. If you look at it that way, his “patrolling” makes much more sense.

        • secularhumanizinevoluter July 15, 2013 at 10:50 pm #


      • mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 2:44 pm #

        Do you think Trayvon Martin would be alive today if he did nt attack George Zimmerman? I know you will not answer this question as “yes” or “no”. The truth is this – Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman. He died from George Zimmerman shooting him while he was on top of him beating the crap out of him.

        • dafederalist July 15, 2013 at 4:17 pm #

          *Allegedly* attacked….this is coming from George Zimmerman by the way.

          • mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 4:35 pm #

            You do not have to take a word of what Zimmerman says. The evidence speaks for itself. There is plenty of *alleged* evidence that that Trayvon Martin walked an hour in the rain to buy was to be used for a codine cocktail. The only reason I even bring it up is because the source of this *alleged* activity is based on internet posts by Trayvon Martin himself.

            If you make mistakes, that does not mean you are a bad person. If you hit someone in the nose, that might be simple assault. When you get on top of a person who is down and start beating him, that is felonious assault.

        • ladywalker68 July 16, 2013 at 12:44 am #

          No I do not. So many people are blaming Treyvon for not running away. It is my belief that had he tried to run Zimmerman would have shot him in the back.

    • secularhumanizinevoluter July 15, 2013 at 10:48 pm #

      From the content or lack there of in your postings on this matter there is no evidence the poster is anything other then a full fledged, card carrying member of the republican/teaparty/moral majority crowd. Reality, truth and facts matter not one wit….rush or ORielly or faux not news sez it….the poster regurgitates it.

  5. Smooth Jazz July 15, 2013 at 12:08 pm #

    “The Obama administration will not bring a civil rights case for the fight alone. They must be certain they will win.
    “…fucking punks. Thee assholes, they always get away.” – George Zimmerman”

    Only Liberals on guilt trips about our country’s historical racial ills can make the suppositions and leaps you are making. The fact that Mr Martin called Zimmerman a “bleeping cracker” is an argument that Martin was profiling Zimmerman – contrary to your perpective.For you to suggest that the US Gov’t will most certainly win a case where a minority (Hispanic Zimmerman) racially profiled another minority (African American) is up there with all those predictions that Hillary already won the Presidency in 2016 becuase she is a woman that is entitled to it. I grew up on Brownsville & Bedford Stuyvesant, Brooklyn – 2 of the toughest neighbor hoods in the country. 17 year blacks have been killed by hispanics males (and other blacks) many times. I never heard of DOJ or Obama getting involved.

    Reasonable people can disagree regarding what happened. When I first head the initial news reports, I thought Zimmerman was a racial profiler and stalker. As the case unfolded, I thought another possibility was just as reasonable: That Zimmerman never “chased Martin down”, but got out of his car so he could have a better vantage point to lead police to what he thought was a suspicious person. Getting out of his car to better guide police does not make him guilty of murder or justified getting his head and nose bashed in. We do know the jury looked at the evidence and came to a reasonable conclusion.

    There is no evidence to suggest he got out of the car to hunt or chase down Martin as Liberals are suggesting. I know that is the race baiters & race hustlers position – But there is ZERO evidence to support that. Besides, Zimmerman as hispanic not white, and many people in this country consider hispanics a minority.

    At any rate, as I mentioned previously, in the Bed Stuy & Brownsville neighborhood I grew up in Brooklyn, NY, 17 year olds Black teenagers die at the hands of other 17 black teenagers all the time. Sometimes after being chased. I jsut don’t see the President making comments or mass rallies protesting these situations which happen quite often in our communities.

    • mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 12:31 pm #

      What you say makes perfect sense. I too thought this wass a hate crime, until I learned about the evidence.

      The death of Trayvon Martin is being exploited for self-serving reasons, not the advancement of Civil Rights.

    • Ga6thDem July 15, 2013 at 12:42 pm #

      We get it. Conservatives are glad that Martin was murdered. Good luck with making excuses for a murdering sociopath. You need to hope and pray that he does not kill someone else which I am completely expecting to happen.

      • Taylor Marsh July 15, 2013 at 12:47 pm #

        Smooth Jazz July 15, 2013 at 12:08 pm

        Making the same case as Ted Nugent is not a place of honor, integrity, or illustrative of analytic intelligence.

    • Ga6thDem July 15, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

      Calling someone a “cracker” is not a racial term. I live in GA so I know. If you believe that it was profiling based on that you are not knowledgeable at all about this kind of thing. Calling someone “white trash” is a derogatory term but not “cracker”

      • mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 1:35 pm #

        So how often do you call people “cracker?” Now you are just being ridiculous. The fact is that Zimmerman did nothing wrong. To say he commited a crime would require removing the truth of what happened and replacing it with lies.

        • Ga6thDem July 15, 2013 at 2:04 pm #

          Cracker is a common term in GA. It basically means anyone who is working class or poor.

          Zimmerman did not listen to what the police told him to do. Either he was wrong or stupid. I’m glad you finally admit that you don’t think killing someone is wrong.

  6. mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 12:32 pm #

    I wonder if the bus driver that Trayvon Martin slapped also violated his Civil Rights? Maybe the Federal Government and the State of Florida should prosecute the bus driver too.

    • Ga6thDem July 15, 2013 at 12:38 pm #

      Your comment shows exactly why so many people laugh at conservatives. The bus driver was on the receiving end of that. Trayvon was on the receiving end of Zimmerman’s gun. Of course, I know you are just trying to justify that Trayvon “deserved” to be killed. Too bad conservatives believe that the only people that have a “right to life” are the ones that they deem “worthy”. I really think you are glad that the kid was killed.

      • mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 12:54 pm #

        It’s like this, if someone is following you, call the police. Do not attack a person who is following you. You might get yourself killed. When you sucker punch a person and then get on top of him and start bashing his head into the ground, that person has every Right to defend himself. That is not racist.

        It sucks that he was killed. Did Zimmerman attack Trayvon Martin? NO! There is no evidence that supports that. The prosecution of the case made it clear that Trayvon Martin was shot as a result of George Zimmerman defending himself against his attacks.

        Go ahead Ga6thDem and say right here right now that you would not defend yourself and that you do not have any Right to defend yourself when you are sucker-punched in the nose and have it broken and then have your head repeatedly punched and the back of your head hitting the cement.

        • Ga6thDem July 15, 2013 at 1:03 pm #

          Why are you saying Trayvon should have called the police but Zimmerman did and DID NOT do what they told him to do. If he had called the police I’m sure you would still be making excuses. Zimmerman’s wounds were completely superficial. Zimmerman is a sociopath and what they do is kill people. Zimmerman could have won a fight with that kid no problem.

          Oh, it “sucks” that he was killed. I guess everyone can tell you that it “sucks” that your child was killed too. Too bad so sad people should say to you at the funeral home while you are looking at the dead body of your child.

          You obviously don’t understand that defending yourself against an unarmed person is completely different than against an armed person. If Trayvon had a gun then we would not be writing this. This is what happens when you give sociopaths guns. Are you going to say too bad so sad to Zimmerman’s next victim?

          • mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 1:23 pm #

            Zimmerman did call the police and did do what was requested of him.

            I hope my children will call the police if they are being followed instead of attacking the person.

            How about you? How do you raise your children?

    • PeggySue July 15, 2013 at 1:35 pm #

      Well then, maybe we should talk about George Zimmerman resisting arrest in 2005, getting into a tussle with a cop at a bar. He could have easily been charged with a felony. But wasn’t.

  7. Taylor Marsh July 15, 2013 at 12:36 pm #

    This is hilarious.

    I called Jonathan Capehart out for being an apologist when he said the “burdens” of President Obama’s presidency make it impossible for him on civil rights.

    Then he blocked me on Twitter! I don’t even follow him on Twitter.

    More tweets are here.

    My Tweet to Capehart after his appearance on MSNBC today:

    @CapehartJ thinks “burden” of first black president too much to stand up for civil rights. Obama apologists aren’t helping @BarackObama.

    Jonathan Capehart tweet 2 me: “You’re dismissed — for lack of comprehension.” Arrogance coupled with ignorance of my writing @BarackObama

  8. casualobserver July 15, 2013 at 12:56 pm #

    The FBI has reportedly previously interviewed about three dozen people looking for evidence of a “hate crime” and concluded nothing justified filing a federal action at the time.

    My knowledge of the maze of federal statutes is not expert, but I surmise that unless there is some totally new evidence that Angela Corey’s team could not dig up (and it is hard to believe they haven’t already scraped the bottom of the barrel based on the quality of the evidence they put up), the Feds will end up with nothing but emotion to go on…….and we have already seen how that approached worked.

    • Taylor Marsh July 15, 2013 at 12:57 pm #

      I’ve asked attorneys with knowledge of these issues and not one thinks the DOJ will move on a case.

      TO ADD… That’s quite different from there being a civil rights case worth bringing. The prosecutors didn’t bring a civil rights case, saying it wasn’t about race. That leaves the DOJ free to do just that, BUT IT REQUIRES COURAGE.

      The DOJ review suspended their investigation during the trial, but even members of the Black Caucus are being very careful and not criticizing the DOJ.

  9. Marie205 July 15, 2013 at 1:07 pm #

    Taylor, your coverage of this case has been fair and balanced. I’m still shock that Mr. Zimmerman was found not guilty. However, I’m not shocked by the way some are celebrating that kids death. I think Zimmerman like O.J. Simpsons will get in trouble again…and this time his victim might not be some unarmed teenage black kid.

    And I’m sick of people making excuse for Obama lack of support of civil rights. Jonathan Capehart should be ashamed of himself…for excusing Obama lackadaisical behavior in this case. And that statement Obama released about it being simply “only” a gun issue…was insulting. Anyone with a concision knows racial profiling played a part in that kid’s death.

    I can’t wait until Obama is officially out of office…his term as President has been horrible, in regards to civil rights.

    • Taylor Marsh July 15, 2013 at 1:10 pm #

      Thank you so much, Marie205. Means a lot to me and I appreciate everyone’s support.

      I obviously hit Jonathan Capehart in a sore spot, with his “you are dismissed” revealing his ignorance about my writing, but also his own culpability in giving cover for President Obama on an issue, civil rights, where he should be leading.

  10. July 15, 2013 at 1:17 pm #

    I do believe the prosecutions royally screwed this up. They had to prove Zimmerman’s guilt “beyond a reasonable doubt.” No way they could have proven Murder 2 with the flimsy evidence and O’mara punching holes in everything they had. The jury had asked for clarification on what “manslaughter” was, but, they couldn’t in their hearts even do give that verdict.

    Wrong approach, procecution.

    • Ga6thDem July 15, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

      I do agree with you on this. The prosecution did a poor job but a large part of the problem is this law and how craptastically it is written. All you have to do is “reasonably” feel threatened to shoot someone. What is threatening to a war vet with PSTD is someone tapping them on the shoulder or grabbing them from behind. What is threatening to you or I would be something completely different.

  11. Ga6thDem July 15, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

    No, Zimmerman DID NOT do what they told him to do. They told the moron to stay in the car and wait for the police. If the idiotic sociopath had done that we would not be talking about this at all.

    • mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 4:10 pm #

      He was never once told to “stay in the car.” He was asked for his location and when he got out to see specifically where he was so the police can find him, he was attacked.

      So now in addition to educating me that “cracker” is not a racist term and people where you are from call people “cracker” all the time, you are also a psychoanalyst.

      Gret with the truth and look at the reality of what happened, if you are going to pay this much attention to thisstory and what happened.

      • Ga6thDem July 15, 2013 at 4:28 pm #

        Yes, he was. Obviously you do not know what went on. He got out of the car and went after Trayvon. That part is not in dispute.

        It’s easy to see the guy is a sociopath. Look at his history of violence. He has no remorse for killing someone which is typical of sociopaths.

  12. mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

    Associated Press:

    George Zimmerman accused the Sanford police department of corruption more than a year before he shot Trayvon Martin, saying at a public forum the agency covered up the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white officer.

    “I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white,” Zimmerman said during a 90-second statement to city commissioners at a community forum. “It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those who are in the thin blue line.”

    The forum took place on Jan. 8, 2011, days after a video of the beating went viral on the Internet and then-Sanford Police Chief Brian Tooley was forced to retire. Tooley’s department faced criticism for dragging its feet in arresting Justin Collison, the son of a police lieutenant.

    The media narrative fail here is a triple shot. If Zimmerman is supposedly some kind of yee-haw law and order type eager to play racist cop, why in the world would he publicly accuse the Sanford police of corruption with a special emphasis on the Chief — all in defense of a homeless black man beaten by the white son of a white Sanford police officer. It’s not like someone threw a microphone in Zimmerman’s face either. He proactively went to, attended, and spoke out at this meeting.

    “I’d like to know what action the commission is taking in order to repeal Mr. Tooley’s pension,” Zimmerman said to the commission. “I’m not asking you to repeal his pension; I believe he’s already forfeited his pension by his illegal cover-up in corruption in what happened in his department.”

    • mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 3:38 pm #

      George Zimmerman has a “black” Grandfather. George Zimmerman and his wife mentored minority students for free. George Zimmerman started a business with an African American.

      • Marie205 July 15, 2013 at 3:53 pm #

        So, because he has black friends and a possible relative…that makes his version of the events the day that kid was shot unarmed…more believable?

        George Zimmerman was out playing cops and robbers the day he targeted a kid trying to get home in the rain. His acting as a vigilantly seems to fit what a lot of people having been saying about this guy…he perceives himself as some type of superhero that is out to stop the “punks”.

        That kid had a right to defend himself from an “adult” man following him around. If the victim had been a unarmed teenage girl….would you still believe Zimmerman account that night?

        • mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 4:07 pm #

          “seems to fit what a lot of people having been saying about this guy” is not what the facts are or what facts are based on.

          The evidence clearly shows without a doubt that Zimmerman used his gun because a person punched him in the face, breaking his nose, and then was on top of him attacking him.

          He did not have a “possible” black relative. His grandfather is black.

          The facts and all evidence points to the story that Trayvon Martin was shot as an act of self-defense. You may not like these facts.

          • Marie205 July 15, 2013 at 4:35 pm #

            And Treyvon had a two black parents…as well as a grandfather…what is your point? I worked with a man (white) who was married to a Asian-American woman and had black friends…that people later found belonged to a racist organization that targeted minorities. Nobody, knew of this side of him…heck, I thought he was a nice enough man…until he was caught sending racist emails…to two black ladies in our office.

            He was forced to resign…and tried to sue our company because he said “they racially discriminated against him” and get this he tried to using the excuse that he was married to Asian-American woman, and was target by our boss (who was white) because of it…

          • mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 4:57 pm #

            A police interigator lied to Zimmerman and said the entire event was captured on video. Zimmerman’s response, “Thank God.”

      • secularhumanizinevoluter July 16, 2013 at 6:12 pm #

        I’ll bet you’ve heard him say or seen on faux not news some of his best friends are……

  13. mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 5:05 pm #…

    Was Trayvon Martin using a street drug called “Lean?”

    Written By: Bob – May• 26•12

    I had never heard of “lean” before yesterday, but apparently it is a concoction made from certain prescription cough syrups and a beverage medium, often made more palatable with candy.

    One of the recipes for “lean” calls for using Arizona Iced Tea Co.watermelon fruit juice cocktail as the beverage of choice, and Skittles candy… the items found on Trayvon Martin’s body the night he was shot by George Zimmerman.

    The Conservative Treehouse has a lengthy post about the recreational drug, it’s effects and side effects, and alleged screen captures of Trayvon Martin’s social media sites discussing his fondness for the concoction.

    I have no idea if the screen captures are legitimate or not, but I do find it odd that Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump described the drink as iced tea when it clearly says “watermelon fruit juice cocktail” on the can. Was that an honest mistake, or purposeful deception in an attempt to hide Trayvon’s possible drug use?

    If the story is correct it seems Trayvon’s medical records and the medical examiner’s review of his body will be revisited, to see if he used the drug frequently and in a concentrated enough form to explain his apparent confusion at the convenience store that night, the odd behavior that spurred George Zimmerman to call Sanford police, and the aggression he displayed when he fought with Zimmerman.

    • mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 5:09 pm #

      Vandalizing school property, possession of stolen jewelry,selling illegal drugs or the violent assault on a bus driver. Before attacking Zimmerman, the signs were there that Trayvon needed help.

      • dafederalist July 15, 2013 at 5:34 pm #

        how mant times was zimmy arrested? Now what was your question again about “signs”?

        • mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 5:52 pm #

          George Zimmerman has been accused of domestic violence, tussling with a police officer and for over-speeding.

          In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer.” Both these felonies are considered third-degree. Due to his desperate attempts, the charges were reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program.

          In the same year (2005), Zimmerman’s ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence. In retaliation, Zimmerman filed for a retraining order against Zuazo and both these claims were resolved with both restraining orders granted.

          The next year, in 2006, Zimmerman was charged with speeding. However, that case was dismissed because the officer who charged him failed to show up at the court.

          • dafederalist July 15, 2013 at 6:33 pm #

            sounds like the type of outstanding citizen who should be on the neighborhood watch…..I just feel safer already!

          • mjsmith July 15, 2013 at 7:48 pm #

            It is 8 years and 7 if you count speeding since Zimmerman been in any trouble. Perhaps the signs were there and he did get help. I don’t know. I am not saying I like George Zimmerman or that I have any respect for him. I have two older brothers and one thing I learned is how to take an ass kicking. I would never carry a gun. That is just me.

    • secularhumanizinevoluter July 18, 2013 at 7:54 pm #

      “I have no idea”

      At this point in time that is the most unnecessary line ever typed.

  14. secularhumanizinevoluter July 15, 2013 at 10:53 pm #

    I’m thinking moderating every post is a good idea. The amount and level of delusional male bovine fecal matter of a decidedly racist odor is astonishing. Reality doesn’t matter anymore.

  15. fangio July 15, 2013 at 11:44 pm #

    So we have arrived at the end of the tunnel of love. Maybe all of you can get together and give each other a big hug and say ” Let’s move on. ” Probably not. It’s hard to leave such a fun party. The truth is that two ordinary Americans encountered each other on a Florida street; one had a gun and the other one didn’t. The same act plays out on many streets, in many cities and suburbs, every day. What makes this one different? The media saw raw meat and let the dogs loose. What if there was no stand your ground law? What if Zimmerman had obtained the gun illegally? What if Martin had a gun and had obtained the gun illegally? Why do police in New York stop and harass black people every day of the week for years and get away with it , until now. During my travels in different parts of this country I noticed something; many Hispanics I met didn’t like black people. I wondered why and one answer I got was, ” We learned to dislike them when we came here. ” Like father, like son. Martin was the victim of the country he lived in. Zimmerman too, was the victim of the country he lived in. As I write this how many people are being shot in Chicago? Six women on a jury, one Hispanic and not one black. how interesting. I remember Bruce Springsteen’s ” 41 Shots. ” An innocent man, a minority, shot 41 times in the vestibule of his building, for nothing. An all white jury finds the cops who did it innocent. And let’s not forget the all white jury in the Rodney King trial. Zimmerman had nothing to fear from the justice system in Florida.

    • secularhumanizinevoluter July 16, 2013 at 6:14 pm #

      “Zimmerman had nothing to fear from the justice system in Florida.”

      If one reads the interview with one of the jurers that is evident.

  16. ladywalker68 July 16, 2013 at 12:51 am #

    And then we have this…,0,1980025.story

    This is the paragraph that caught my eye:
    “Zimmerman, an insurance investigator, attended community college and was a credit shy of an associate’s degree in criminal justice but was kicked out of school because he posed a danger to the campus, according to family sources.”

    The article goes on to discuss what a really swell guy his attorneys think he is. Hmmmm…..haven’t Georger’s brother and his lawyers and others been demonizing Trayvon for allegedly being a thug, yet being kicked out of a community college because he posed a threat to the campus makes GZ a terrific person wrongfully accused??? Man, Georgie Porgie sure has had lots of trouble that he always manages to slither out of….

    Oh, and let’s not forget that the National Sheriff’s Association Statement on George Zimmerman’s actions is nothing short of a condemnation:
    “The alleged participant ignored everything the Neighborhood Watch Program stands for and it resulted in a young man losing his life. Our thoughts and prayers are with the family of Trayvon Martin during this terrible time.”


  17. casualobserver July 16, 2013 at 9:06 am #

    “Zimmerman, an insurance investigator, attended community college and was a credit shy of an associate’s degree in criminal justice but was kicked out of school because he posed a danger to the campus, according to family sources.”

    If that is your idea of quality news editing, then there is an employment opportunity for you at NBC 6 Miami. I understand they are down a couple of copy editors. Of course, it sounds like the Tribune has the same problem.

    Here is the actual statement issued by the school……”Due to the highly charged and high-profile controversy involving this student, Seminole State has taken the unusual but necessary step this week to withdraw Mr. Zimmerman from enrollment. This decision is based solely on our responsibility to provide for the safety of our students on campus as well as for Mr. Zimmerman.”

    When did the school issue that statement? March 22, 2012, the same day the State appointed Angela Corey to re-investigate George Zimmerman. I imagine the school did not wish for the campus to be deluged with reporters and protestors.

    The trial is over and Zimmerman was acquited of state charges. Barring eye witness testimony from someone else in the housing complex that night that has otherwise lived in a hole ten feet underground since February of 2012, there is no new compelling evidence to be had.

    In the absence of new evidence, there will be no basis for any federal charges. While opinions may differ relative to the filing of a civil suit, I happen to think the Martins will not doubledown on the criminal trial loss. The probability for civil immunity protection being granted is now considerably tilted in Zimmerman’s legal favor.

    If you would like to introduce legislation in Tallhassee to water down self-defense statutes, be my guest. At least that has some constructive notion attached to it. However, thinking a retrial of George Zimmerman in the blogosphere is constructive to anyone is highly argumentative.

    • secularhumanizinevoluter July 16, 2013 at 6:18 pm #

      “In the absence of new evidence, there will be no basis for any federal charges.”
      If that were the case then after the jury aquited the Klue Kluckers that murdered the Freedom Riders there never would have been a Federal trial would there?

  18. angels81 July 16, 2013 at 9:06 am #

    I’ve kind of stayed away from this story because for me the outcome was no surprise. The fix was in from the start. The state wouldn’t have done anything except for the fact that they got heat from the public. The jury selection was a joke, turns out one of the women had a book deal, and her husband was a lawyer. Zimmerman’s story had so many holes in it you could have driven a truck threw it, but the prosecution just went threw the motions.

    This trial was over before it even started, and I guess my point is, that was the way it was planned. The state was not going to do anything that would have weakened or called into question their Stand Your Ground Law, especially not for a young black male teenager.

    • ladywalker68 July 16, 2013 at 10:11 am #

      angels81, I agree with you 100%.

      And the National Bar Association released a statement saying justice was NOT served in this case:

      And casualobserver, you can white-wash the killer as much as you want. Zimmerman is now free, has his gun, and even more license now than before to kill when he thinks it’s in God’s plan again. In fact, he has more freedom to do this and get away with it than any police officer.

  19. dafederalist July 17, 2013 at 2:46 am #

    I bet if it was a requirement to have a background check in order to be on the neighborhood watch…there would be alot of people not being on the neighborhood watch.

  20. secularhumanizinevoluter July 18, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

    And I would say this killing is GREAT evidence that should be a requirement!

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