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Zimmerman Neighbor Testifies Trayvon Martin on Top Before Shot

Zimmerman has claimed that he fatally shot 17-year-old Martin last year in self-defense as Trayvon Martin was banging his head into the concrete sidewalk behind the townhomes in a gated community. But under prosecution questioning, Jonathan Good said he never saw anyone being attacked that way during the fight between Zimmerman and Martin. – Physician assistant: George Zimmerman trained ‘MMA style’

Lindzee Folgate, right, a physician assistant who treated George Zimmerman's injuries the day after his scuffle with Trayvon Martin, testifies Friday, June 28, 2013, in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial.

Lindzee Folgate, right, a physician assistant who treated George Zimmerman’s injuries the day after his scuffle with Trayvon Martin, testifies Friday, June 28, 2013, in Zimmerman’s second-degree murder trial.

IT HAS been a dramatic week in the George Zimmerman murder trial, with Friday’s testimony riveting and a relief from watching Rachel Jeantel and defense attorney Don West go at it. By Friday, the case of each side seemed to play out as the witnesses testified, with the advantage going back and forth between the defense and prosecution.

People who believe George Zimmerman was defending himself could extrapolate from testimony that proof was offered that this was true, because on Friday an eyewitness said he saw what he believed to be George Zimmerman on the ground. Those who believe Trayvon Martin was afraid for his life could deduce from testimony that George Zimmerman not only went looking for him, but might have used MMA, mixed martial arts, to attack him, and that Mr. Zimmerman’s injuries weren’t as bad as they’re being made out to be by the defense.

Through prior discovery, we know that Trayvon Martin’s pants had grass stains on the knees. Through testimony on Friday, there was one obvious possibility of why, which is that Martin was on top of Zimmerman at one point. It was also revealed through police testimony on Friday that the back of George Zimmerman’s jacket was damp compared to the front.

There has been a lot of discussion about MMA, mixed martial arts, which is being attributed to Trayvon Martin. Eyewitness Jonathan Pound invoked “ground and pound,” an MMA term, which the prosecutor questioned him on.

Later, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked whether it was possible a police officer could have used the term “ground and pound” before he did.

“It’s possible,” Good said.

One witness, physician assistant Lindzee Folgate, not only treated George Zimmerman the night of the shooting, but on Friday confirmed that George Zimmerman told her had been training in MMA, going back to 2011.

A detailed account of the days’ events can be found at Central Florida 13′s website:

A physician assistant who treated George Zimmerman’s injuries the day after he said he shot and killed Trayvon Martin in self-defense testified Friday that she had treated Zimmerman before, and that he told her he’d had been involved with mixed martial arts several times a week.

[...] She also testified that Zimmerman had written on a form reciting his medical history that he was exercising three times a week by doing mixed martial arts, a statement that prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked her to repeat.

Folgate said she had treated Zimmerman for previous injuries before. She first encountered him in August 2011, and Zimmerman indicated that he had “difficulty with falling asleep and exercising with MMA, but that has not helped.”

She said she also treated Zimmerman in September 2011, and at that time he indicated he was involoved in mixed martial arts three days a week.

Eyewitness Jonathan Good had this exchange with Mr. Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara, which was followed by questioning from the prosecuting attorney Bernie de la Rionda. From CBS:

The altercation seemed to escalate, according to Good. The struggle moved to the cement pathway, and he said the person in dark clothing straddled the other man in “mixed martial arts position” he later described to police as a “ground and pound.” He said he saw “arm movements going downward,” though he couldn’t be certain the person on top was striking the person on the bottom.

“The person you now know to be Trayvon Martin was on top, correct?” asked defense attorney Mark O’Mara. “He was the one raining blows down on George Zimmerman, correct?”

“That’s what it looked like,” Good answered.

[...]

De la Rionda honed in on Good’s earlier statement that he couldn’t confirm the person on top was hitting the other person.

“Correct,” Good said.

Another neighbor who testified on Thursday saw just the opposite. From USA Today:

Good’s version of that night contradicts those of another neighbor who testified Thursday. Selma Mora, who lived a couple of houses down from Good, said a person on top and straddling another person told her to call police. Minutes later, the same person who was on top, Zimmerman, was on his feet after a gunshot, Mora said.

Jonathan Manalo, the first neighbor to step outside to see what was happening, testified that Zimmerman asked him to call his wife after firing the fatal shot. While Manalo was on the phone with her, “he cut me off and said, ‘Just tell her I shot someone.’” When this exchange was played on HLN, Manalo added that it sounded like Zimmerman wanted him to hurry up.

What came across is the calm of George Zimmerman just moments after killing Trayvon Martin.

George Zimmerman says he was defending his life. It’s just as conceivable Trayvon Martin thought he was in danger, too, when Zimmerman started following him, and it turned out he was right.

Is there definitive evidence to convict of second degree murder?

All along I’ve been leaning towards voluntary manslaughter, not second degree murder, for which George Zimmerman is on trial.

An unarmed man is dead and through testimony it’s been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman’s injuries were in no way life threatening or reason enough to pull his concealed semi-automatic Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm pistol and shoot Trayvon Martin dead.

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26 Responses to Zimmerman Neighbor Testifies Trayvon Martin on Top Before Shot

  1. dafederalist June 29, 2013 at 2:38 am #

    It is sounding more and more like two people were fighting…one witness said “Tussle”. It was a fight….and the loser pulled out a gun. Now, if you had all this MMA training, what I don’t understand is why you weren’t able to subdue a teenager as to using lethal force? Now we have the EMT/Physicians Assistant testimony…nothing to substantiate the use of lethal force. I don’t think the Prosecution will get 2nd Degree murder conviction…but…it is looking more and more like voluntary manslaughter in which he would face 15 to 30 years in jail. Now if the Jury does render a 2nd Degree murder conviction, it will be because you can’t claim self defense and not testify.

    • Ska14 June 29, 2013 at 7:54 am #

      No, it’s not looking more and more like a voluntary manslaughter conviction. That’s the problem. The 5th Amendment prevents persons from being prosecuted twice for the same crime (“double jeopardy”). The prosecution over charged. The jury will never convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder because the bar is set too high and there is too much reasonable doubt in this particular case. If Zimmerman walks on the 2nd degree murder charge then he walks entirely on criminal charges (civil charges may be pending, although he’s not wealthy so it would be a waste of time…).

      This case would have been a slam dunk voluntary manslaughter case. The prosecutor, however, is an elected official and was up for re-election. She let her own self interest prevent Trayvon Martin’s family from receiving justice. And when Zimmerman is acquitted on 2nd degree murder, the injustice will be on the prosecutor’s hands.

      • secularhumanizinevoluter June 29, 2013 at 10:05 am #

        “No, it’s not looking more and more like a voluntary manslaughter conviction. That’s the problem. The 5th Amendment prevents persons from being prosecuted twice for the same crime (“double jeopardy”). The prosecution over charged. The jury will never convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder because the bar is set too high and there is too much reasonable doubt in this particular case. If Zimmerman walks on the 2nd degree murder charge then he walks entirely on criminal charges ”

        You are incorrect on two counts. If the jury completely aquits him he can only be charged using NEW evidence…however with the new evidence to recharge all the old evidence is usable unless amunnity has been granted…NOT gonna happen
        And the jury can convict him of lesser degrees…so apparently voluntary manslughter or criminal negligent homicide are also still possibilities.

        Based on Florida law, Zimmerman could be facing a maximum of 30 years in prison if he’s convicted of the charge or if a jury returns a compromised verdict, a maximum of 15 years.

        Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/11/trayvon-martin-case-george-zi
        mmerman-charged-with-second-degree-murder/#ixzz2Xc6xuv8Y

        • Ska14 June 29, 2013 at 11:28 am #

          You’re provably wrong about this. I’m a little stunned I even have to argue this point.

          Here are the facts about acquittals in the United States:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquittal

          You can’t be re-charged for the same offense after an acquittal. In fact, the prosecution can’t even appeal an acquittal. If you could be re-tried for the same offense then Casey Anthony would now be facing charges of 2nd degree murder since she was acquitted for 1st degree murder. OJ Simpson would have been re-tried for 2nd degree murder as well.

          The only exception to the rule is that different jurisdictions can charge for a crime. If you commit a crime that violates both state and federal law, you could theoretically be charged in both state and federal court.

          The prosecution for the Zimmerman trial has one shot at it. It’s 2nd degree murder or it’s nothing. This isn’t even debatable.

          • secularhumanizinevoluter June 29, 2013 at 3:45 pm #

            From your source

            “Prosecution after acquittal
            The government is not permitted to appeal or retry the defendant once jeopardy attaches to a trial unless the case does not conclude. Conditions which constitute “conclusion” of a case include

            After the entry of an acquittal,
            whether a directed verdict before the case is submitted to the jury,[45]
            a directed verdict after a deadlocked jury,[46]
            an appellate reversal for sufficiency (except by direct appeal to a higher appellate court),[47]
            or an “implied acquittal” via conviction of a lesser included offence.[48]
            re-litigating against the same defense a fact necessarily found by the jury in a prior acquittal,[49] even if the jury hung on other counts.[50] In such a situation, the government is barred by collateral estoppel.
            In these cases the trial is concluded and the prosecution is precluded from appealing or retrying the defendant over the offense to which they were acquitted.

            This principle does not prevent the government from appealing a pre-trial motion to dismiss[51] or other non-merits dismissal,[52] or a directed verdict after a jury conviction,[53] nor does it prevent the trial judge from entertaining a motion for reconsideration of a directed verdict, if the jurisdiction has so provided by rule or statute.[54] Nor does it prevent the government from retrying the defendant after an appellate reversal other than for sufficiency,[55] including habeas corpus,[56] or “thirteenth juror” appellate reversals notwithstanding sufficiency[57] on the principle that jeopardy has not “terminated.” There may also be an exception for judicial bribery,[58] but not jury bribery.

            There have been exceptions to double jeopardy in the past, such as the retrial of officers involved in the 1991 Rodney King beating. This exception stems from the ability of different sovereignties to charge individuals for the same crime. Here, the officers were first acquitted by state court and subsequently charged and tried by federal court, which are different sovereignties.[59] The exception to this exception exists between city and state sovereignties located within the same state. Although cities are different sovereignties than the state they are located within, the two are not permitted to attach jeopardy more than once cumulatively.

            So it is pretty clear your blanket he can’t be retried is incorrect.
            Your attempted example is also bogus. They tried her for first degree murder and she was aquited. The jury COULD have found her guilty of a lesser charge but didn’t…they straighgt up aquited her. I can’t see this happening here. He may be convicted of a lesser charge or get a hung jury…but no way a straight up aquital.

          • secularhumanizinevoluter June 29, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

            from CNN Legal page

            “* It is too early to tell what lesser charges the evidence may support, but one possibility is manslaughter.

            To convict someone of manslaughter, prosecutors have to prove two things beyond a reasonable doubt:

            – that Trayvon Martin is dead AND

            – that Zimmerman’s acts caused Trayvon Martin’s death

            NOTE: Manslaughter does not require that it be an intentional killing, only that the act that caused death was intentional and not justified or excusable.

            Zimmerman could assert self-defense at trial, but the burden is on the prosecution to prove that it wasn’t self defense beyond a reasonable doubt.

            The jury will have to consider the circumstances surrounding the killing and decide whether it was manslaughter or a justifiable use of deadly force.

            NOTE: In the charging document, Corey alleges that Zimmerman killed Martin with a gun. That is important, because if the jury does convict Zimmerman of the lesser charge of manslaughter, using a gun increases the penalty that Zimmerman would face on a manslaughter conviction.”

  2. dafederalist June 29, 2013 at 2:40 am #

    By the way Taylor, did you see Molly West’s instagram….hmm I wonder if the Judge will have a few words for Mr Don West on Monday….#JudgeDebraNelsonDontPlay

  3. mjsmith June 29, 2013 at 5:21 am #

    It is obvious that Zimmerman was the person getting his head pounded into the cement.

    I feel, as more and more evidence is being revealed, Zimmerman is not guilty.

    He was doing his patrol on neighborhood watch. He saw a suspicious person. He reported it. The person who was suspicious attacked him. He had a person who sucker punched him in the face, was pounding his head into the cement, and covering his face so he can’t scream or breathe. So, to save his own life, he shot the person attacking him. This is clearly what the evidence shows.

    • dafederalist June 29, 2013 at 6:28 am #

      “He was doing his patrol on neighborhood watch. He saw a suspicious person. He reported it.”

      See there, after he reported it…That was the end of his duties as a neighborhood watch person…as directed in his training, in his manual, in the instruction he was given by the dispatcher, and as testified by the person who helped him setup the neighborhood watch. At what point, Mjsmith, did Trayvon have the right to defend himself? Strange guy following him? Strange guy chasing him? Strange guy confronting him?

      “The person who was suspicious attacked him.”
      According to whom? George Zimmerman? The same George Zimmerman who is also facing a perjury case for lying in his bond hearing? Their are no witnesses to say Trayvon Martin ran up and attacked him but Zimmerman does not get attacked if he wasn’t following him after the dispatcher said “We don’t need you to do that”,,,Zimmerman does not get attacked if he had not left his vehicle.

      “This is clearly what the evidence shows.”
      The evidence clearly shows there was a fight that preceded the gunshot. Doesn’t show who attacked who first….No witnesses say they saw Trayvon Martin banging George Zimmerman’s head into the cement. You have two witnesses say that Zimmerman was on top and another (From today’s hearing) who said Trayvon was on top them Zimmerman (That normally happens in a fight)

      You can’t will George Zimmerman to be in the right on this. Completely avoidable situation that he initiated. But lets ask Trayvon for his side of the story……oh wait, we can’t because he’s dead.

      Everybody is entitled to their opinion but please don’t try to twist them into facts when it is obvious you haven’t been watching the trial (Every bit of it is available on Youtube just in case you want to know what you are talking about).

      At this point, I would be slightly surprised if there is a conviction for 2nd degree murder. But voluntary manslaughter…..there is an abundance of evidence for that. Next week will be telling as to what evidence is presented. I for one do not believe Zimmerman does not have competent lawyers (Any lawyer who tells you not to testify in a self defense case is an idiot and should be debarred! He is giving up an opportunity to present his side of the story unfiltered…but…because there are man inconsistencies he will have to reconcile on the stand at the same time he would need to be believable…I’m pretty sure as soon as the jury hears that he has a pending court case for perjury…who significantly reduce his credibility)

      • Ska14 June 29, 2013 at 7:58 am #

        You just laid out the case for George Zimmerman’s innocence on this particular charge. What you just described is voluntary manslaughter, not 2nd degree murder. Hence, the more the facts are revealed the more obvious it’s becoming that Zimmerman will walk.

      • mjsmith June 29, 2013 at 1:07 pm #

        “At this point, I would be slightly surprised if there is a conviction for 2nd degree murder. But voluntary manslaughter…..there is an abundance of evidence for that.”

        I do not see any evidence for voluntary manslaughter either. The evidence clearly shows hat Zimmerman was on the bottom when he used his gun to save his own life. What Zimmerman was going through may not seem life threatening to you. You would believe it would be life threatening to you if you were the one getting sucker-punched in the face and then have your head pounded into the cement and your bleeding nose and mouth covered up so you can’t breath.

  4. secularhumanizinevoluter June 29, 2013 at 6:26 am #

    1.”It is obvious that Zimmerman was the person getting his head pounded into the cement.”

    Exactly ONE “witness” has said Zimmerman was on the ground and that ONE “witness” changed his story regarding Martin hitting Zimmerman. There have been several “witnesess” who have teatified ZIMMERMAN was the aggressor and one who actually heard the begining of the confrontation that shows Zimmerman instigating it.

    2.”I feel, as more and more evidence is being revealed, Zimmerman is not guilty.”

    It has been pretty clear from the start you “feel” Zimmerman’s actions in killing this unarmed young man were just hunkydoory.

    3.”He was doing his patrol on neighborhood watch.”

    While disobeying instructions from Town Watch AND the Police to NOT carry firearms.

    4.” He saw a suspicious person. He reported it”

    Yeah….he saw a BLACK person and “reported it…just like the 6 other BLACL people he reported as suspicious.

    5.”. The person who was suspicious”

    Yeah….cause he was BLACK

    6.”attacked him.”

    Other then the defendants claim there is ZERO evidence to support this.”

    7.” He had a person who sucker punched him in the face, was pounding his head into the cement, and covering his face so he can’t scream or breathe.”

    Did you see the part about ZERO, ZIP, NADA evidence to support your fantasy?

    8.” So, to save his own life, he shot the person attacking him.”

    Did you see the part about ZERO evidence to support your fantasy.

    9.” This is clearly what the evidence shows.”

    Did you see the part about ZERO evidence to support your fantasy?

    • dafederalist June 29, 2013 at 6:41 am #

      Don’t forget about the Evidence Technician who testified on Monday saying…no blood on the concrete…..just some more of those “Facts” getting in the way of the Zimmermythers alternate reality.

      I know what is causing all of this suspension of disbelief…….They are watching Fox news because they are too lazy to watch the trial (Available on youtube). It’s not like Fox doesn’t have a documented history of distortion in their analysis…..I’m sure President Mitt Romney would disagree….oh, wait a minute!

      • mjsmith July 1, 2013 at 11:30 am #

        I think the meteorologist said it was rainning at the time.

    • mjsmith June 29, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

      So of all the people reported, 6 of them happen to be black. So what?

      George Zimmerman is innocent and the evidence clearly shows this.

      • secularhumanizinevoluter June 29, 2013 at 3:49 pm #

        No…the six zimmerman reported were Black…and Trayvon was Black…hmmm….see a pattern there? No? No surprise in that really.

        “George Zimmerman is innocent and the evidence clearly shows this.”

        Yeah….no surprise in your not seeing any pattern in his reporting only Blacks as suspitious and shooting Trayvon at all.

    • mjsmith July 2, 2013 at 10:01 am #

      I was watching about the tial on Crazy Larry last night. The discussion was surprisingly good. The shoed and talked about George Zimmerman’s interviews with the police.

      C.L. and his two guests, one of which was in the yesterday, had a an interesting conversation. I surprisingly found it to be informative.

      Of course that was just a brief part of the show and as soon as the intelligent guests left Crazy Larry somehow brings George W. Bush into the George Zimmerman trial.

      A few questions that I have is this – Prior to the shooting, what would George Zimmerman of done differently, if anything, if he did not have a gun.

      Did his possesion of a gun change or alter his behavior in any way?

      At what point did Zimmerman commit a crime?

  5. secularhumanizinevoluter June 29, 2013 at 6:28 am #

    I have thought from the start 2nd degree Murder was over charging….neglegent homicide or voluntary manslaughter seem more appropriate.

  6. fairmindedindependent June 29, 2013 at 11:20 pm #

    I don’t know what George Zimmerman will be charged with. Sometimes the prosecution does good and sometimes the Defense does good. But the sad thing is racism has creeped into the case, even though Trayvon’s family said they didn’t want that to happen or that George Zimmerman didn’t target Trayvon Martin because of race.

  7. mjsmith July 1, 2013 at 11:46 am #

    I remember the Duke University Lacrosse students getting the “Zimmerman Treatment” from the same exact people. Nancy Grace had a hard on for those young men something feirce. It was clear by the evidence that they were innocent. It is clear in the US Constitution they should be considered innocent until proven guilty BEYOND a reasonable doubt in a Court of Law. Still all of the left-wing inciters, the District Attorney and Prosecution, and all the media personalities were very successful in promoting themselves by falsely presenting these people as guilty. The entire lives of the young men on the Duke Lacross team was put on trial. When the men were found to be innocent Nancy Grace did not even have the balls to show up to work the next day.

    http://tinyurl.com/qgp3zk4

    This Trayvon Martin case isn’t even about Trayvon Martin. Truth be told, the left wing media could care less about Trayvon Martin. It’s ultimately about further inculcating European Americans with white guilt – not to mention a totalitarian dose of anti-gun hysteria.

    White guilt has been the norm in white European nations for decades, and thankfully, they are beginning to abandon it by calling out diversity and multiculturalism. Hopefully America does likewise.

    • secularhumanizinevoluter July 1, 2013 at 6:33 pm #

      1″This Trayvon Martin case isn’t even about Trayvon Martin. ”

      Well…ya know….if there wasn’t that dead unarmed 17 year old from the violence prone, cop wannabee there wouldn’t BE any case would there?

      2.”Truth be told, the left wing media could care less about Trayvon Martin.”

      Oh ma GAWD what isn’t even there…..COULDN’T care less…NOT could care less!!! You think they COULD care less? You think they care TOO much?!!!!!

      3.” It’s ultimately about further inculcating European Americans with white guilt – not to mention a totalitarian dose of anti-gun hysteria.”

      Spoken like a true believin, aryan, gun/porn loven conSERvative.

      4.”White guilt has been the norm in white European nations for decades, and thankfully, they are beginning to abandon it by calling out diversity and multiculturalism. Hopefully America does likewise.”
      If it repeats racist talking points like a racist….and it uses the same disproven bunk to try to justify it’s racist ,history and reality denying fictions….it’s a conSERvative.

  8. dafederalist July 2, 2013 at 4:35 am #

    Hey Sec…..No sense arguing or trying to convince people like mjsmith. The type of person who would use the arterial motive of “White Guilt” for justifying the murder of a child….just a sad existence. White guilt? Please.

    1) Did you catch this: On the 911 call Zimmerman said, “I don’t know where this kid is.” This appears to indicate he understood Martin was not an adult.

    2) The prosecution noted when Serino asked Zimmerman about the screams, Zimmerman said, “That doesn’t even sound like me.”

    Is it okay to say, NOW, Zimwits….that Trayvon was the one screaming for help? (BTW, this came from the taped interview Zimmerman had with Serino)…Just some more of those “Facts” getting in the way….

    • secularhumanizinevoluter July 2, 2013 at 5:04 am #

      I go through this excersize in apparent futility frankly NOT to try to convince the poster’s of the bunk they are wrong or misinformed…..I do it for the same reason I respond to creationist/superstitionists in evolution or science forums. To not respond is to let untruths, lies and gibbering stand unchalanged…give it validity in some peoples minds. I just want to be sure anyone grazing through understands for abso-fracking-lutely certain when bunk is spewed, bunk will be called. Especially racist, rightwing Patrick Buchannon/Limbaugh/Beck talking points bunk.

  9. dafederalist July 2, 2013 at 3:53 pm #

    and there we have it!

    • secularhumanizinevoluter July 2, 2013 at 5:32 pm #

      Oh you “left-wing inciter” you.

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