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And we thought the NRA leadership was “out there” …

From Brian Tashman, at Right Wing Watch, a project of People for the American Way:

Gun Activists Warn Obama is Raising a Private Black Army to Massacre White Americans

Gun Owners of America president Larry Pratt appeared Tuesday on the Talk to Solomon Show alongside conservative blogger Greg W. Howard, of Twittergate fame, for another chance to spew anti-Obama conspiracy theories.

Pratt predicted that President Obama may begin confiscating guns in order to provoke a violent response to justify further oppression, which host Stan Solomon feared would lead to the imprisonment of hundreds of thousands of people. …

But Solomon wasn’t finished: ‘I believe they will put together a racial force to go against an opposite race resistance, basically a black force to go against a white resistance, and then they will claim anyone resisting the black force they are doing it because they are racist.

Howard agreed: ‘You may be right because he has been sowing the seeds of racial hatred; we were healing quite well as a nation on racial issues until Obama came along and now we have a lot of racial discord.’

The arguments included that Obama is not an American, that he

… may begin ‘wiping out a few hundred people who own guns, pull a large scale Waco or a Ruby Ridge type incident’ and have it ‘tinged it with racial overtones.’

He also, Howard claimed, has plans to “take down” the internet, but never fear: “people are setting up phone-trees all over the place.”

‘If Obama can take your guns away he can take your car, he can take your home, he can take your bank account, he can take your very life,’ Howard said.

… Pratt warned that ‘a lot of people resolved, ‘no more free Wacos,’’ and that if Obama ‘starts playing the massacre game the way you did at Waco, well, you’re going to get surrounded, you won’t be able to go home safely, your family won’t be safe.’

At the link you’ll find videos of the Talk to Solomon show. I just couldn’t make myself post it.

I don’t know how many people take this kind of “thinking” seriously, but it’s happening in the context of the ongoing national debates about gun and ammunition controls. Have you noticed, though, a decided decrease in coverage of such? We as a nation seem to move on fairly quickly. Or at least the media does, and so it’s difficult to tell how much people are, or aren’t, still paying attention.

Here’s one update on the “guns in the USA” saga, at Talking Points Memo, from Evan McMorris-Santoro:

Gun Control Fight Goes To The Ground

The ground war over gun control after the Newtown, Conn. massacre has begun. Across the country, members of Congress are being hit with grassroots campaigns and ads aimed at pushing them to one side or the other in the current debate over gun violence.

On Friday, the remnants of President Obama’s reelection campaign will hold its first ‘Day Of Action’ since the November election, rallying its millions of supporters to join the call for gun control legislation at grassroots events nationwide. The group, Organizing For Action, is also putting ads online that will ‘target more than a dozen members of Congress’ who haven’t signed onto Obama’s gun control agenda, according to USA Today.

The article notes that to this point, most of the “post-Newtown gun control debate” has been at “presidential press events and Senate committee hearings.” Now, McMorris-Santoro writes, “it’s part of actual politicking.” The NRA is running its own full-page ads, aimed at members of Congress in Arkansas, Louisiana, Maine, North Carolina and West Virginia.

In the past, this kind of saber-rattling by the NRA would likely scare moderate Democrats into submission on issues like universal background checks for firearms purchases, which polling shows the public supports but the NRA opposes.

This time around, though, gun control advocates and their allies say the ground fight favors them. ‘I believe the price to be paid politically will be to those who refuse to act, who refuse to step forward [on gun violence],’ Vice President Biden said Thursday. ‘Because America has changed on this issue.’

McMorris-Santoro writes of reports that in the Senate, “a bipartisan group of senators” is “close to deal on universal background checks.” But of course, there’s the usual GOP House members who oppose most everything that isn’t their idea. Some of them probably think it’s possible “Obama is Raising a Private Black Army to Massacre White Americans.”

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13 Responses to To the Right of the NRA?

  1. secularhumanizinevoluter February 23, 2013 at 12:12 pm #

    But they’re NOT racist…they not……

    • Cujo359 February 23, 2013 at 3:50 pm #

      Yes, there are racists who own guns. No doubt there are quite a few in America. There are quite a few of anything in America. So what?

      Find a place here where I, or anyone else has said there are no racists in the GOP’s base (or the GOP itself, FTM), or that there are no gun owners who aren’t racists, and I’ll be glad to rethink my belief that this is just another of your pissy little strawman arguments that you bellow out in lieu of any actual facts, observations, or logic that are worth a crap.

      • secularhumanizinevoluter February 24, 2013 at 7:29 am #

        It would be pretty difficult to find many things that matter less to me then what you hold as “belief”s.
        Find a comparable group in the Dems or Liberals or Progressives or Atheists.
        Crickets, crickets, crickets.
        As for your “Find a place here where I, or anyone else has said there are no racists in the GOP’s base (or the GOP itself, FTM), or that there are no gun owners who aren’t racists, ”
        Find me one of these groups of racists that ISN’T a rightwing ergo GOP supportive bunch. The NRA maybe?

  2. fangio February 23, 2013 at 1:02 pm #

    There was a report in a little known journal called ” White Women On Alert ” that discovered a secret plan by Obama to release all black crack addicts and dealers in the federal prison system and arm them with extra strength Viagra to impregnate white women and create a truly mixed race society.

  3. newdealdem1 February 23, 2013 at 1:12 pm #

    I don’t always agree with Michael Moore but I thought he captured what makes Americans tick when it comes to guns in this part of his film “Bowling for Columbine” http://tinyurl.com/3rtv55
    Or, as FDR famously and brilliantly advised all of us http://tinyurl.com/49bthux His words have never been more relevant.

    Sec, although claiming “racism” every time someone disagrees (even passionately) with Obama policy-wise is dangerous (as it tends to curtail further discussion of legitimate policy differences) there is no doubt that race has played a part in these extreme right wing groups of which the GOP cannot not claim as part of their base. Bed made, now lie in it.

    • secularhumanizinevoluter February 24, 2013 at 7:41 am #

      newdealdem1 I have NEVER, EVER claimed that everyone who disagrees with President Obama is because of race. EVER.
      I disagree with plenty of his actions. I didn’t vote for him first time around.
      But so far, from my personal experience and interacting with coworkers, relatives and acquaintances as well as watching national and local events and political personages when speaking to “their” people anyone who would argue that the animus against president Obama is purely political, that it is not in LARGE, LARGE part based on his skin color at least as much if not more then his being a Democrat would have to be completely ignorant of history and the reality of American society and attitudes.
      I have YET to hear a republican(there…see I can type that even though it doesn’t portray the true heart of the party as constituted today) politician speak at any length about President Obama without slipping into the code speak…he’s URBAN…he;s the WELFARE President…and now he;s going to raise a BLACK ARMY to kill the white men…all they left out was and rape their white women.
      You are SO correct…this is the Bed the Republican leaders made and they and their party must now lay in it no matter what some of the folks here blather or “believe”
      (and PLEASE understand I in no way include you in that last bit!!)

      • newdealdem1 February 24, 2013 at 6:58 pm #

        “newdealdem1 I have NEVER, EVER claimed that everyone who disagrees with President Obama is because of race. EVER.”

        I know that sec. I just included that part to make the contrast for myself and where I stood.

        I’ve been reading your posts here for a long time since 2008 so I know you have disagreed with plenty of President Obama’s policies and that you didn’t vote for him in 2008. And, I understand fully why you and others voted for him in 2012. I was very close to voting for President Obama myself because of what the opposition had become: hard rightwing zealots whose mission is to destroy government, control women, use racial disharmony to win seats and destroy to smitherines the social safety net (and the GOP has had it’s hawk eyes focused on doing just that for decades now). IMHO, they have become the incarnation of an Americanized Taliban and that is not hyperbole, it’s fact, and their behavior especially in the form of proposed legislation gets more oppressive and retrogressive for women. Anyone who says there is an equivalency here is blind or just stubborn and immoveable in their opinions.

        Final thought here. To me, most of us are tribal on occasion and that includes the “both sides” crowd who imo can be and are on occasion as rigidly ideological as anyone else. All of them can be and are immoveable in their prejudices and opinions and all of us can be that and have been that on occasion. That’s the human part, hey? However, I’m tired of the self-appointed morally superior crowd, it’s not only tiresome, that attitude oftentimes makes it almost impossible to buy into their observations which oftentimes dissolve into self-righteous and very preachy diatribes.

        “(and PLEASE understand I in no way include you in that last bit!!)”

        sec, not for a moment did I think that.

  4. newdealdem1 February 23, 2013 at 1:15 pm #

    Last sentence correction: should be “lay” and not “lie”.

  5. newdealdem1 February 23, 2013 at 1:55 pm #

    P.S. My original comment which has a couple of tinyurl links attached has not posted. Just a reminder. Thanks.

  6. Cujo359 February 23, 2013 at 3:52 pm #

    start quote:

    But Solomon wasn’t finished: ‘I believe they will put together a racial force to go against an opposite race resistance, basically a black force to go against a white resistance, and then they will claim anyone resisting the black force they are doing it because they are racist.

    end quote

    The breadth and variety of delusions in America are something to behold.

  7. spincitysd February 24, 2013 at 4:45 am #

    Sigh, I was wondering when some yahoo was going to drop the dog whistles and go full-on whack-a-loon. Sooner or later some small, deranged man was going to go for “Obama is going to lead the Hottentot armies on a rampage to rape our white women” and here we are. With all those dog whistles going full blast it was inevitable that one geriatric dog would start howling the old racial standbys.

    Look, there is a rabid minority of people who are pissed at two things: one, that the US finally decided that was bad form to treat people as property, and two (much latter on) that it would be a very good idea that we actually treat that former “property” as people, ei full citizens with all the rights and responsibilities there maintained.

    We are still dealing with the tail end of a sixty year hissy-fit over that last little bit of legerdemain otherwise known as the Civil Rights Movement, ( A movement that includes Integration, Woman’s rights and the rights of LGBTs.) The reaction to the liberation of Women et al has some very stupid, and very mean people very pissed off. And these are the people curling in a fetal ball and demanding that they be allowed their dangerous toys with no responsibilities attached.

    • secularhumanizinevoluter February 24, 2013 at 7:44 am #

      Now now spincitysd…there you go equating everything these wingnuts do to race!!(snark intended)

      • spincitysd February 24, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

        If ain’t about race, it’s about icky girls Sec. More to the point it’s about hierarchy and patriarchy. Guns make small angry men feel better about themselves. When many of these types start yammering about the need for self-defense via an AR-15 ( an absolutely shitty self-defense weapon.) The defense they are envisioning is against some sort of hord of others rampaging the landscape. It is a very weird cloud-cuckoo land these folks dream about, a dystopian Mad Max chaos with hords of dirty Mexicans, Hottentots and Arabs roaming around indulging in rape and rapine.

        I guess Junior High was really rough for these guys.

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