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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: Bobby Kennedy Said Warren Commission was “Shoddy Piece of Craftsmanship”

IN AN interview with Charlie Rose, the son of Bobby Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., was blunt about his father’s thoughts on whether John F. Kennedy was killed by a lone gunman.

The interview coincides with the 50 year anniversary of J.F.K.’s assassination, which happened on November 22, 1963, later this year.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. talks about the philosophical path Bobby Kennedy took to try to understand the tragedy, as well as the deep doubts his father had about what had occurred and that his father never believed the Warren Commission’s open and shut case.

From the AP:

He said that he, too, questioned the report.

“The evidence at this point I think is very, very convincing that it was not a lone gunman,” he said, but he didn’t say what he believed may have happened.

[...]Kennedy replied: “I think that’s true. He talked about that. He publicly supported the Warren Commission report but privately he was dismissive of it.”

He said his father had investigators do research into the assassination and found that phone records of Oswald and nightclub owner Jack Ruby, who killed Oswald two days after the president’s assassination, “were like an inventory” of mafia leaders the government had been investigating.

He said his father, later elected U.S. senator in New York, was “fairly convinced” that others were involved.

There’s been a concerted effort by elite media, most notably Chris Matthews, who has lauded and pushed the writing of Gerald Posner, while ignoring people like Mark Lane and many others, to ridicule anyone who doubts the Warren Commission findings.

We will never know for certain what happened on November 22, 1963, but the efforts to make the Warren Commission the last word have failed for a reason. It begins with the lack of transparency following Kennedy’s murder, which too many in the elite media have buttressed and made money on for years.

My one-woman show “Weeping for J.F.K.” in 2007 dealt with the assassination, because of how it impacted my older siblings, thus embedded in my consciousness and life what politics meant to people forever. I’ve done years and years of research on John F. Kennedy, never believing the Warren Commission’s investigation was thorough or honest and there are a lot of people who never will.

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9 Responses to Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: Bobby Kennedy Said Warren Commission was “Shoddy Piece of Craftsmanship”

  1. spincitysd January 14, 2013 at 5:08 pm #

    The case is closed Taylor. Modern audio and video analysis along with research in blood spatter and other tools conclusively prove the single gunman theory, disprove the grassy knoll option, and point the finger at Oswald.

    This is just another example of how we can not truly deal with our out of control gun culture. We cannot deal with the notion that an obvious shlub, nobody, zero was able to ace our Chief Executive. But Oswald did get to JFK and Dallas’ incompetent, corrupt, and criminally negligent police force let a bar owner waltz into the detention area and shoot Oswald.

    Thus we have two marginal characters changing history in horrible ways due to ridiculously easy access to guns. Not much has change, marginal characters are still able to shoot at and damn near kill our elected representatives.

    I know these are an inconvenient truth to a proud, well trained and responsible gun owner, but facts they are. Too many marginal characters are able to get to all manner of weapons because we are floating in all kinds of small arms. When a obviously mentally disturbed individual can get a freaking semi-auto and shoot up his college mates– hello Virginia Tech–we have a problem.

    JFK died because a nobody, Oswald, wanted to become a somebody via killing the President Of The United States. He was aided and abetted by ridiculously lax gun laws and sloppy, dare I say incompetent, protection. But to posit conspiracy is to join the tin-foil-hat brigade.

    The Warren Commission was a sloppy affair, and politically motivated to find a result. Oswald’s connection with the shadow weirdness of Fair Play For Cuba had the elites going nutters. They had to calm that bit of nonsense pronto, remember the Missile Crisis was barely in the rear-view mirror at the time. So LBJ rushed Warren, and Warren–who really was not cut out for the job in the first place– made a hash of it. Just the ordinary failures of a government in panic mode.

    First rule of history Taylor: when the choice is between incompetence and conspiracy, always go with incompetence.

    Also remember JFK Jr. is part of the tin-foil hat antivax brigad. He is not a rational actor and is bound to believe in all sorts of unprovable, off-the-wall, bat-shit crazy ideas.

    Hanlon’s Razor Taylor: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

  2. Jane Austen January 14, 2013 at 5:18 pm #

    Had the Warren Commission not been such a sloppy affair, had it been more transparent, it might have put to rest all the conspiracy theories it generated.

    • Taylor Marsh January 14, 2013 at 10:40 pm #

      That’s exactly correct, JA.

      It’s important to hear Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. voice what has been under the radar for decades.

      • spincitysd January 14, 2013 at 11:44 pm #

        I rather the AntiVax spewing RFK Jr. had kept his mouth shut. Wrong message, wrong messenger.

        I have a hard time believing anything is truly under the radar about JFK. We even know about his long-term and untreatable STI. If we have TMI about his STI, exactly what is still under the radar?

        And if anything is still under the radar: blame the Kennedy’s. They are the ones preventing scholars from getting to important prime sources. They have the damning papers, they have the unflattering data which they prevent seeing the light of day. They are the one’s preserving the cult and mysteries of the sainted secular martyr.

        If you want the truth, you have to demand that the Kennedy Archives be open to all scholars, not just the acolytes of cult of JFK. It’s the Kennedys who are responsible for the historical fog that still surrounds Jack, and no one else.

        Sidebar: What is under the radar is there because the general public WANTS it to be under the radar.

        Hanlon’s Razor Ms. Marsh, start with that and dig. Assume incompetence and work from there. Assume that the Secret Service was incompetent because it had no organizational memory of a successful assassination; no person in the Secret Service remembered the McKinley assassination. Assume that the planing for Dallas was incompetent, not a hard thing to do. Assume that the Dallas Police were hopelessly incompetent and ridded with graft, abuse, and corruption– which they were. Assume that a panicked government totally screwed the pooch via an investigation that was poorly thought up and poorly lead by a man who had no business leading such an investigation. And assume an overbearing LBJ made an already bad situation with the Warren Commission much worse.

        Is there anything in that broadly sketched narrative or any of the more fine details that cannot be explained by Murphy’s Law or one of its’ corollaries? A lot of history is about supposedly very clever people doing incredibly stupid things. What’s under the radar Ms. Marsh? Exactly that, the “Best And The Brightest” proving that they were mere mortals. The system failed JFK because too many people in government that day were fat, dumb, happy, and not doing their jobs.

      • mschroeder2013 March 23, 2013 at 1:00 am #

        sometimes we find information that has been directly in front of us many years after the fact. Check out a book, “Mafia Kingfish….Carlos Marsala” If you have the book check the back for locations prior to the assination. Waco, Texas, Leo Bacher, Jefferson Music, Vincent Marsala,Sam Terminy, Oswald’s mother, Others…..I am originally from Waco and Leo Bacher told me the story of the assination. It is a puzzle, an interesting one with small bit players but the facts are clear. It was not a lone gunman. The reporting in the commission was way off but it was intended to be. Many are dead,, old age, but Mr. Bacher explained a lot of the story to me. I have never discussed the story but the main players are gone and now I feel like at least telling someone what Bacher told me.

    • spincitysd January 14, 2013 at 10:51 pm #

      Agreed Jane Austen, but understand the times. The elites were panicing because Oswald had lived in the USSR and had been part of the Fair Play For Cuba committee. Oswald extremely weird history and the fresh memory of the Cuban Missile Crisis made official Washington need to tamp down any suspicion that the Cubans and the Russians had a hand in the assassination.

      LBJ needed that result, no Cuban/Russian involvement, ASAP. And well LBJ was LBJ, he had a unique ability to express his needs and concerns on issues he found important. By quashing one conspiracy theory the Warren Commission helped boomerang suspicions on itself; typical government cock-up.

      Sidebar: I’m not so sure that a properly run Warren Commission would have put the Conspiracies about JFK to rest. Far too many people find all too much comfort in C.T.s. Maybe the Cottage Industry that surrounds the JFK assassination would have been smaller, but it would still be there. Ruby’s killing of Oswald really threw a monkey wrench in the proceedings; allowing C.T.s to spin tales of dirty deeds done dirt cheep no matter how well done Warren could have been.

      Also remember: the JFK assassination throws into stark relief the dark side of our gun-crazed culture, both in past and in the present. Think about it, no–seriously, think about it; a seriously weird and seriously marginal character was able to purchase a weapon by mail order and kill the President Of The United States. I believe that fact really causes significant cognizant dissonance both individually and culturally. It is the myth of the cowboy gone horribly wrong. No wonder many would rather believe in the cloud cuckoo land musings of the C.T.’s.

      • Cujo359 January 15, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

        “I’m not so sure that a properly run Warren Commission would have put the Conspiracies about JFK to rest.”

        Unfortunately, many conspiracy theories, including 9/11 “Truther” theories, were built on a foundation of government secrecy. Were our government not inclined to keep things secret so that we citizens don’t go all stupid or something, who knows what kind of society we’d be? There would probably be a few disturbed individuals who would “find comfort” in them, but I think most of us could go on with our lives, or at least worry about the things we really should be worrying about.

        Sadly, our politicians find it easier to lie, and we citizens seem to find it easier to let them.

        • spincitysd January 15, 2013 at 11:06 pm #

          Yes we act as if we love the lie. The voting public (and that includes that do not vote) does not punish liars, it expects them. So why not lie and then discuss the “real issues” with your oligarchical brothers and sisters in the halls of power?

          But on the other hand, the fact of government secrecy does not excuse the abandonment of skepticism. Most CTs are so overwrought and nonsensical that they cannot even present a prima facia case for their notions. You have to be seriously unhinged from reality to buy into this stuff, or just intellectually lazy. And far too many citizens are proud to be that intellectually lazy.

          • Cujo359 January 15, 2013 at 11:53 pm #

            It may not be an excuse, but it’s still a reason. Skepticism is the application of logic and knowledge to a question, and when you don’t have the knowledge, it’s pretty tough to separate fact from fiction. Most of us are in that boat in one field of knowledge or another. Unfortunately, when our government lies to us and tells us it thinks that’s OK, it’s hard to trust much of what you see or hear. The government affects most sources of information either directly or indirectly.

            In my experience, the only way to make sure you’re not fooled is to believe wholeheartedly that anyone can be fooled, no matter how smart or well educated. That, plus honestly admitting when you don’t know something, and being willing to question every assumption you’ve made, are pretty fundamental to figuring out what is true and what isn’t. No one is an expert on anything, and if you have reason to believe the experts on a subject aren’t telling the truth, then it’s pretty hard to trust what they tell you.

            No, that doesn’t excuse going on about conspiracies when you really haven’t bothered to understand the situation, but to say that a government we can’t trust won’t generate far more conspiracy theorists than a government that ought to be trusted is wrong, too, and by quite a lot.

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