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News Desk: 20 Children Shot Dead in Connecticut Elementary School Carnage — So When Will Obama and Politicians Confront Gun Lobby? [Video - Updated]

CBS News is reporting that at least 27 people are dead, including 20 students, after a mass shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. The gunman is among the dead. CBS News reports the gunman, now identified as 20-year-old Adam Lanza, was the son of a female teacher at the school who was killed in the mass shooting. New Jersey State Police have Lanza’s older brother, 24-year-old Ryan, in custody in Hoboken. A law enforcement official tells The Associated Press that Lanza’s girlfriend and another friend are now missing in New Jersey. [CBS NEWS]

Courtesy of Shannon Hicks, www.NewtownBee.com

YEARS AFTER the attempted assassination of Gabby Giffords, President Obama and politicians on both sides of the aisle are still standing mute and feckless on the sidelines.

I say this as part of a gun owning family and with a husband who is a gun expert.

What will it take for this country to take on the N.R.A. and gun lobby, whose sole goal has nothing to the with the Second Amendment and everything to do with commercialism of firearms? The tole of their greed coming in a tally of human lives that continues to rise.

In the modern era, the Second Amendment matters, but the rights of citizens to be safe and America’s children not held hostage to fear requires an acceptance that the brave new world is being held at gun point by violence.

Funny thing is, the inner city has been experiencing this reality for decades. Now that it’s hit Connecticut, will President Obama and our politicians wake up?

This issue impacts a lot more lives and the fabric of this country a lot more than the fiscal cliff scheme everyone is obsessing over.

“Newtown is a quiet town. I’d never expect this to happen here. It’s so scary. Your kids are not safe anywhere.” – Lisa Bailey [Newtown resident with three children in Newtown schools, told CBSNewYork.com]

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38 Responses to News Desk: 20 Children Shot Dead in Connecticut Elementary School Carnage — So When Will Obama and Politicians Confront Gun Lobby? [Video - Updated]

  1. Jane Austen December 14, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    This is one of the most horrific and sickening tragedies that has occurred in this country. I’m sick at heart knowing that 27 people, including 14 children (according to CBS News) have been killed. I don’t understand someone doing this. How does one send their child to school and feel that they are safe? For God’s sake, this was an elementary school – k – 4th grades, the oldest children being 10.

    We need to have rational thinking about guns and the NRA has to stop commercializing guns. It’s time that we put people first.

    My heart goes out to the families who have lost their loved ones.

  2. angels81 December 14, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    I am at a loss to understand what kind of animal could do something like this. 18 children dead and 8 adults, and for what? The time is now and not to shove this crap under the rug. Its time the president and congress start to come to grips with gun violence in this country. This shit has to stop, and any politician who is not willing to deal with the problem of gun violence should be voted out of office.

    All I want to do right now is hug my granddaughters and cry.

    • Taylor Marsh December 14, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

      AMEN.

      Your heart just breaks…

  3. PeggySue December 14, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    My husband and I are both gun owners and we both support gun control. It’s horrible to think that a possible tipping point for reasonable discussion will follow the slaughter of 18 babies and 8 adults. From what I’ve heard so far most of these children were from a kindergarden class I don’t understand how anyone could do something this evil but obviously they can. We need leadership and courage from our politicians on this issue and pushback from the public. If this event doesn’t lead to an outcry, I don’t know what will.

    Sad, sad day in America, again.

    • Taylor Marsh December 14, 2012 at 1:31 pm #

      We stand with you and your husband, PeggySue.

      Indeed, if this doesn’t lead to an outcry, nothing will.

      • ladywalker68 December 14, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

        I agree with you Taylor and PeggySue! This is horrific!

        And now for some pre-emptive hogwash that is about to invade the blog comments and my gun-loving friends who just don’t get it:

        STANDARD NRA-TALKING POINTS ABOUT MASS SHOOTINGS EVEN WHEN LITTLE KIDS GET SLAUGHTERED:

        -Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.
        -If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
        -Controlling drugs doesn’t keep people from selling, buying and using illegal drugs.
        -People eat too much and get fat. You can’t blame forks for people eating too much.

        -Add you Standard NRA BS statement against gun control here….

  4. angels81 December 14, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    I’ve been surfing the net and already the wingnuts have their line, and that is we need to allow teachers to carry guns. I can’t believe anyone in their right mind would advocate more guns to solve the problem of gun violence in this country.

    • Cujo359 December 14, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

      It would make more sense to advocate that they wear flak vests, not that I think that’s the answer, mind you. For civilians, situations involving guns often happen unexpectedly. Even if you’re surprised by someone with a gun, your weapon is generally going to be useless weight.

      Preventing mentally unstable people from having guns would be a lot more likely to prevent this sort of thing.

      • Cujo359 December 14, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

        Sigh: Even if If you’re surprised by a gun

        • ladywalker68 December 14, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

          Agree. Frequently, I seem comments that suggest the solution is to have everybody toting a gun. Well, first you need to be trained on properly handling fire arms, and I have handled hand guns enough to know about the safety features.

          I don’t have a gun precisely because I am such a klutz I would probably accidentally shoot myself or some innocent person before I would be able to react in a situation of where I had to defend myself. You almost need to work with them daily to be able to effectively use them in a crisis situation where you are surprised and even then there are no guarantees.

          The other issue is helping people with mental issues. Unfortunately, any avenues to providing low-cost assistance to people who are mentally unstable were toss out decades ago.

          • Cujo359 December 14, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

            “Well, first you need to be trained on properly handling fire arms, and I have handled hand guns enough to know about the safety features.”

            Yep. I’d go further – in a situation like this one, if you’re not trained to the point where you can reflexively choose targets and avoid firing at innocents, you’re far more likely to do harm than good. That takes a lot of training, and I suspect that any professionals who have any sort of life outside work have far too little time to stay that well trained.

    • ladywalker68 December 14, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

      And who is going to pay for the guns? Who is going to pay to have the teachers trained to be good and safe handlers of guns?

    • AliceP December 14, 2012 at 3:10 pm #

      Sure – the gun lobby wants new customers. There are about 100,000 public schools – with at least 50 teachers at each school, why right there is 1/2 million NEW customers!!!!

      This is what sensible people are fighting.

    • secularhumanizinevoluter December 14, 2012 at 7:38 pm #

      Seems to me there WAS a period in our history when most everyone packed heat…it was called the WILD West…a peaceful paradise where everyone lived quietly and only helped their neighbors.

      • jjamele December 14, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

        Even the “Wild West” was a myth- actually, very few people on the frontier owned more than a single rifle- pistols were very expensive and difficult to maintain. The right wing fantasy of tough, silent men keeping the peace with their trusty six-shooters comes from the fevered daydreams of Hollywood writers, not history books.

        • secularhumanizinevoluter December 15, 2012 at 6:25 pm #

          “Even the “Wild West” was a myth- actually, very few people on the frontier owned more than a single rifle- pistols were very expensive and difficult to maintain.”

          Could you please site a source for this claim?

          • jjamele December 15, 2012 at 7:12 pm #

            Sigh. No, I teach for a living- do your own damn research, it’s the weekend and just spent eight hours writing midterm exams.

            I think I’ve said this before, but I’m not surprised it takes repetition with you- I really don’t care if you believe me or not. Unlike my students, you aren’t taking the AP exam in May. Have fun with your ignorance.

  5. Joyce Arnold December 14, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    For those directly involved, or impacted — most especially those who lost a loved one — life has been changed forever.

    But for the nation? Almost certainly nothing will actually change: the same “gun” arguments (pro and con) will be made. Electeds will make “appropriate” remarks. Many people will say, yet again, that “something must be done.” Etc.

    In order for something to actually change — How high would the death count have to be? What population would have to be the target? If elementary age children aren’t that “population,” would the targets have to be younger yet? Elderly? Bedridden? Or maybe a group of Electeds, or CEOs, or some other gathering of “really important” people? School children as victims don’t seem to be significant enough, nor do service members on an Army base, shoppers in a mall, people attending an outdoor speech by a member of Congress …

    The murders are the worst, the saddest, the most horrific thing. But not too far behind is our national inability to do more than rehash the same arguments, again. And again. And again.

    • Taylor Marsh December 14, 2012 at 4:25 pm #

      Thanks for this, Joyce.

    • jjamele December 14, 2012 at 4:43 pm #

      I had to stop watching and listening to the news today because I thought that if I heard one more solemn-faced politician or news reader tell me that what happened today was an “unthinkable tragedy” or “unfathomable,” I was going to start screaming.

      How many times does this have to happen before we realize that it’s simply not uncommon anymore, and we stop pretending that there’s something bizarre or unreal or even especially unusual about someone showering a crowd of innocents with bullets?

      Jay Carney said today “this is not a day to talk about gun control.” Well, there’s part of your answer. If a day in which a school full of children was massacred by a man wielding a gun is not a day to talk about gun control, it’s pretty clear that that day will never come in the mind of those in charge. We’ll hear pretty talk about tragedies, will have tearful interviews with the relatives of the dead, we’ll have dueling angry editorials somewhere down the road– and when the people not directly affected get back to their daily lives, that day to talk about gun control will be left off the calendar, again.

      And anyone who thinks that the next massacre isn’t just around the corner either hasn’t been paying attention, or has his head so jammed into the sand that he might as well run for public office, being perfectly qualified for the job.

      • Joyce Arnold December 14, 2012 at 10:33 pm #

        I can identify with this, jjamele, the “I was going to scream” if I heard one more pretending-this-is-uncommon statement. We keep going through the same thing, with the same responses.

        I’ve seen quite a few statements related to the “this is not the day to talk about gun control” followed by “yesterday was.”

  6. AliceP December 14, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

    OOPS – where is that edit function? 5 Million NEW customers!!!

  7. spincitysd December 14, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

    I don’t think that even this horror show will change much. The NRA owns all of the Republican Party and at least half of the Democratic Party. There is a reason that no Democratic candidate has said a peep about gun control since Bill Clinton. It’s a dead loser issue. It’s a third rail politically for Democrats– touch it and your dead.

    The children who died in Connecticut are part of the price we pay for the hollowing out of the public sphere that has gone on since Reagan. We are privatizing everything in sight, included public safety. The notion that private citizens can or even should be able to resort to deadly force on a routine basis is fraught with problems. Add to this notion the fact that our mental health infrastructure is laughable and you have a recipe for inevitable tragedy.

    I hate to be a buzz kill, but nothing will come of this latest tragedy. The parents will morn the death of their little ones, the media will make a circus of it, and the pundit class will vomit up the same old tired talking points. I’ve seen this show far too many times to have any notion of any kind of mass awakening. Our politics is far too partisan. Our system is far too corrupt. Our public far too exhausted for any kind real change to occur. The gun fetishist of the NRA and the Right Wing noise machine will win this round, and any other round that comes up for the foreseeable future.

    • Taylor Marsh December 14, 2012 at 4:26 pm #

      It’s not a “buzz kill” to tell the truth based on years of watching our national dialogue on guns.

      Thanks for giving it.

    • Joyce Arnold December 14, 2012 at 4:36 pm #

      We’re in agreement. As I wrote above, the horrific murders are the worst, of course, but close behind is our inability / unwillingness to do anything but rehash the same arguments yet again.

    • Cujo359 December 14, 2012 at 5:11 pm #

      “I hate to be a buzz kill, but nothing will come of this latest tragedy.”

      Oh, you pessimist you. Now you’ve made me lose all hope…

      I think it’s a sad truth that we’ve all written or said before nearly the same things we’ve written here, as have many others. I don’t see it making a dent.

    • ladywalker68 December 14, 2012 at 11:47 pm #

      Wow. spincitysd. Brilliant post.

  8. T-Steel December 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm #

    I’m a multiple gun owner. And my question to those that say “ARM THE TEACHERS WITH GUNS” is this:

    Who’s going to pay for their training?

    I assume that the NRA wants trained gun-toting teachers. Able to use a weapon a competently and accurately. Will this be part the fiscal cliff talks (gun training for teachers)? And before we get to that, will these guns be issued by a school “weapons department” or will teachers have to purchase them on their own (well that would suck)? The School Weapons Department = Mo’ money, mo’ money, mo’ money! What if a newly hired teacher refuses to carry a gun. What happens to them? I mean we can’t have a hold out jeopardizing the protection of the school. Etc.. Etc… So on and so forth…

    I’m with spincitysd. This will not change a damn thing. Unfortunately it will take a tragedy of epic proportions (i.e. an organized group aka militia) killing a small town of 1000 to cause eyebrows to raise on this. Sad sickening sad depressing. :(

    • Taylor Marsh December 14, 2012 at 4:24 pm #

      Absolutely right re teacher training, T-Steel.

      Arming teachers is the argument of the ignorant.

      • jjamele December 14, 2012 at 4:44 pm #

        I half-expect Greg Gutfeld to suggest on The Five today that if the children had been armed, the death count would have been much lower.

      • ladywalker68 December 14, 2012 at 11:49 pm #

        Agree. The “arm the teachers” suggestion is the most absurd of all.

  9. TPAZ December 14, 2012 at 9:32 pm #

    “What will it take for this country to take on the N.R.A. and gun lobby, whose sole goal has nothing to the with the Second Amendment and everything to do with commercialism of firearms?”

    Never. America loves guns, violence, gun violence, killing, war, corporal and capital punishment, and rationalizing torture, inflicting pain, and intimidation upon others. Our most popular computer games are first-person shooter games. The evening news producer guideline is – if it bleeds it leads. Scripted television is overpopulated with crime shows. The actual criminal justice in America has been converted into reality TV programming.

    I live in Arizona. The home of the attempted assassination of Gabby Gilfords. With my Arizona concealed weapon permit I can walk into a bar, order several drinks (although lighting up a smoke is against the law) and there is nothing to stop me from reaching into my pocket, pulling out an automatic handgun with a high capacity clip and began shooting, is my temperament, judgement, and sanity or state of mind.

    We live in an armed madhouse.

    • jjamele December 14, 2012 at 10:14 pm #

      All we are going to get is a few “heartfelt” speeches and coverage of the funerals. In a few weeks 99.99 percent of us will have put this behind us, and we’ll be ready to be “shocked” and “appalled” at the next “unthinkable tragedy.”

  10. fangio December 14, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    Obama would not lift a finger to extend the assault weapons ban in D.C. when it expired, even though it meant someone five blocks from the White house could have a semi automatic in his or her living room. Yet their he was today tearing up over the poor dead children. It would seem that Obama and John Kerry do have one thing in common; Kerry, while campaigning for the presidency, did everything he could to not talk about Iraq or Abu Ghraib. Obama has done everything he can to avoid talking about guns. Their both cowards.

    • secularhumanizinevoluter December 15, 2012 at 6:36 pm #

      “Obama would not lift a finger to extend the assault weapons ban in D.C. when it expired, even though it meant someone five blocks from the White house could have a semi automatic in his or her living room.”

      Spoken like someone who knows diddly squat about firearms. When the Assualt Weapons ban was in effect there were still folks with semiautomatic guns within blocks of the White House. Can you even say exactly WHAT the AWB nixed?

      • Taylor Marsh December 17, 2012 at 10:15 am #

        Blaming Obama for the assault weapons ban not passing is not uncommon, especially from people who know absolutely nothing about weaponry & commerce.

        Banning assault weapons DOES NOT actually ban them.

        It is *very* easy to get the parts to make a weapon a semi-automatic or fully automatic, regardless of a ban.

        That’s the real truth.

        The only thing a gun loving society like ours can do is track the guns and the sellers, while also making certain than concealed carry permits are not given out like candy at Christmas.

        • secularhumanizinevoluter December 17, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

          And Ms. Marsh a dirty lil secret not to many talk about is the fact that there are QUIT a few genuine machine guns floating around out there also.

  11. lynnette December 15, 2012 at 3:25 pm #

    I have a few thoughts to express. There are no words to describe this heartbreaking tragedy. These children were just babies – defenseless. I can’t imagine what their families must be enduring. The repercussions from this will be great for many of the students, school staff, their families, and the community for a long time to come. And I believe this type of thing will continue as long as our country turns a blind eye to the culture of gun violence that is so widespread as well as mental illness that seems to include a lack of empathy for others. When are we going to wake up?? Why is it that most of these mass killing sprees are perpetrated by middle class, young, white males that appear to live in rural or suburban areas?? I would love to know the answer to that. Also, the past few years we have heard so much teacher bashing but these public school teachers’ lives were on the line as well as the students’. They did a magnificent job under circumstances nobody would ever want to find themselves in.

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