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If Afghanistan Massacre Isn’t the Tipping Point What Will Be?

“We have to either make the decision to make a full commitment, which this president hasn’t done, or we have to decide to get out and probably get out sooner.” – Rick Santorum

In recent polling cited across the morning shows today, 60% of the American people don’t think the Afghanistan war was worth it.

I’d really like to see Republicans try to make the Santorum case that Pres. Obama hasn’t made a “full commitment” and define what that means if he hasn’t.

Pres. Karzai is calling it an “assassination.”

P.J. Crowley thinks the massacre in Afghanistan is the tipping point. He tweeted this after the U.S. soldier, reportedly on his fourth tour, walked a mile to kill 16 Afghanis, including women and 9 children:

This is the Tet moment in #Afghanistan. The string of recent incidents will send public opinion in both countries into permanent decline. – PJ Crowley on Twitter

The reaction among some right-wingers was quite different, which one blogger posted.

If this doesn’t get Republican candidates talking about Afghanistan, separating themselves from the theory of “winning,” what will?

The Taliban has said they will retaliate.

News travels slowly in Afghanistan.

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10 Responses to If Afghanistan Massacre Isn’t the Tipping Point What Will Be?

  1. fangio March 12, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    The soldier was on his ” fourth ” tour. How many of those forty percent of Americans who approve of this fiasco have any idea of the toll this has taken on these abused soldiers and their families. An occupying force filled with tired, demoralized, mentally unstable warriors who want nothing but to go home. We honor our troops? What hypocrisy!

    • Joyce Arnold March 12, 2012 at 10:49 am #

      What you said, fangio.

    • Taylor Marsh March 12, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

      We honor our troops? What hypocrisy!

      **clapping heard**

  2. Lake Lady March 12, 2012 at 11:24 am #

    So true fangio. I never thought I would be for returning to a draft but until everyone’s child in on the line I don’t think we will stop this foolish military adventurism. Remember the National Guard is no longer a safe haven for the well born or well connected. Can you imagine the so called “helicopter parents” of tomorrow’s elite tolerating such a thing?

  3. Taylor Marsh March 12, 2012 at 12:03 pm #

    Amen, fangio. Well said.

    Thanks to the few of you who always comment on issues of war & peace, (including those who haven’t yet but usually do). More should.

    Nothing impacts our economic fortunes more than our military engagements.

    • Joyce Arnold March 12, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

      “Nothing impacts our economic fortunes more than our military engagements.”

      Yep. The infamous “military industrial complex” has never gone away, it’s just consolidated while growing larger.

  4. Jane Austen March 12, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    I fear the retaliation. My cousin is over there until July. Why oh why are we still in Afghanistan? And we get no help from Karzai. I think he’s just as much our enemy as the Taliban in addition to being as corrupt as they make them. I’m sorry that the women have a life of hell or will if the country reverts to what it was but some how I don’t think it warrants us having a troops over there putting them in danger. I don’t know what the answer is for the women but Afghanistan seems to be getting worse not better and our troops are in the middle of a hell hole. Just bring them home!!!

  5. secularhumanizinevoluter March 12, 2012 at 4:56 pm #

    38 years old and on A FOURTH deployment…an existing BRAIN INJURY….marital/domestic problems symptomatic of PTSD and STILL sent back into COMBAT?!!!!!!!!! What the FRACK is WRONG with this country?!!!!
    This guy was on track to equal WW2 all by himself…make that WW2 in COMBAT from beginning to end!!!! This is INHUMAN! BRING THEM HOME TODAY! I don’t CARE what is left behind in Afghanistan, if the Afghans don’t want to be under the Talibans thumb then let THEM kill the religious fanatic a holes…but GET our guys out!!!

  6. arharris March 12, 2012 at 6:31 pm #

    More like the My Lai moment.

  7. spincitysd March 12, 2012 at 9:39 pm #

    Not to approve the action of this military member, but this was inevitable. Our military members are at their wits end. More that a few are being redeployed with serious mental health issued barely controlled by powerful psychoactive drugs. When a trooper has to put on Zoloft to perform routine functions there is a serious issue going on.

    The only reason we remain in the Graveyard of Empires is because our utterly corrupt and massively incompetent political class can not admit they screwed the pooch royally. Incurious George rushed into war to check off the required box named Afghanistan before he could engage in his hair-brained obsession of taking on Saddam Hussein.

    The war in Afghanistan then degenerated on the back burner until Obama was handed the bag of loose scorpions and venomous snakes that was our military effort in Central Asia.

    True to form Obama pondered and dithered and played Hamlet during the winter only to default the common wisdom (and campaign promise) of more of the same. Also true to form, Obama did not actually do what was required to secure the landscape. This is because the political class is unwilling to actually pay the full price of their interventionist mind set. They have learned the lesson of Vietnam but only partially.

    Thus our totally inept political class keeps trying to do war on the cheep. They keep looking to quick fixes and technology to save them from the political consequences of their foreign affairs over-reach. Both Bush and Obama knew that what was really required, a call out of the draft, would have cooled the ardor of the American People– even in the high emotional state after 9/11/01. The call up of almost a million men and women would have given even the most ardent war proponents pause.

    But we did not call up those one million men and women. We were not asked to for any type of sacrifice. We were asked to go shopping and let Dead Eye Dick Cheney and Incurious George handle the Global War On Terror; which we did like good little children.

    So now we are being presented with the end game. We are being presented with the final bill for all the damages wracked up in our name by two utterly cynical Administrations. We are seeing only a small glimpse of the wreckage incurred, that of an utterly ruined and exhausted military. Still being tallied is the blow-back that will be incurred not only in Afghanistan but also in the Muslim World and in the developing world beyond that. Our name is mud.

    Beyond that mess is the domestic damage done by the GWOT, now rebranded by Obama. We have allowed our government to degrade into a lawless, unaccountable oligarchy. Our civil rights have been shredded and our chief law enforcement officer, the Attorney General, has become a feckless political hack. The degradation of the AG to the subservient toddies that are Eric Holder and Alberto Gonzales is nauseating to behold. These political flunkies have lead the charge in cashiering our idea of the separation of powers; replacing it with the toxic Yoo-Holder theory of the Unitary Executive who acts as judge, jury and executioner.

    I’ll put down the flame-thrower of invective–for now; but this incident reflects everything that is wrong with our nation and the political class that run it. That one soldier may have pulled the trigger for this awful incident but there are plenty of accomplices that helped him to perform that act.

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