Obama’s Pumas
08 December 2009 7:29 pm by Taylor Marsh
Can you imagine this conversation? The President of the United States calling up a United States Representative complaining that he was “demeaning” him?
Conyers, the second-longest-serving member of the House, said, “[Obama] called me and told me that he heard that I was demeaning him and I had to explain to him that it wasn’t anything personal, it was an honest difference on the issues. And he said, ‘Well, let’s talk about it.’”
Sitting in the Judiciary Committee’s conference room two days after Obama delivered his speech on Afghanistan, the 23-term lawmaker said he wasn’t in the mood to “chat.”
Many of us are not in a mood to “chat” and it’s putting some of Obama’s other supporters off their politics.
Though I have to say I’m relieved that this person isn’t a liberal anymore, because she’s just too upset at all the criticism Obama is taking and doesn’t want any part of it. She’s a “a Taoist.” Andrew Sullivan jumping in to publish quite a few I’m angry at the left rants on his blog recently, which Glenn Greenwald also chronicled. This has been building for quite some time. Today “the Taoist” blew:
Maybe the initial illuminating moment came when I learned that Tom Hayden, the anti-Vietnam war activist, had removed the Obama bumper sticker from his car. All I know is that I can hardly stand reading the Huffington Post these days. The stuff coming out of “progressive” mouths is all too often on a par with Glenn Beck’s abusive rants–both sides (right and left wingers) playing thousand-pound national football with the President as the ball–meaning, kick kick kick, until you bust his dick. This truly makes me sick. (It’s meant to be the rhyme from hell.) I think the straw that broke this camel’s back was an horrendously ugly and smearing essay Christian Parenti wrote last week, which was published on the Huffington Post after Obama’s Afghanistan speech.
The same thing has been going on around here for weeks and weeks, with angels81 the latest. Never mind that I’ve been a lone voice on Obama’s side on Afghanistan until his recent speech, which was so confusing Obama had to have Secretaries Gates and Clinton go on the Sunday shows to tell everyone what he meant, because after saying July 2011 we’d begin drawing down it turns out he didn’t mean it the way it was interpreted. Never mind that Obama’s new “strategy” made no sense. I’ve also been out front on the Middle East and Israeli settlement policy, supporting Obama from the start, including going all the way back to his first cabinet kerfuffle. A few “In the News” commenters and diarists have bolted, including Obama die hards who just can’t take the substantive problems many of us are having with Obama’s leadership skills, especially on health care. With everyone preferring the calm of comment kumbaya in debates even if it’s hardly appropriate right now, given the dire straights Democrats are in after 11 months of Democratic majority leadership that has not exactly been anything to trumpet. Even if those with a beef are basically saying we shouldn’t be pushing so hard, because Obama is after all one of us.
Obama or bust. I know it well, because Hillary had the same type of fans during 2008. I still hear from them, because I support Obama when it’s deserved. For them it was Hillary or bust, too. Many of these same people are against anything Obama does, while thinking Sarah Palin is their next hope. It’s all the same thing. People who attach themselves to a politician, get invested in him or her, and take it personally when warranted criticism is landing on target, wanting everyone to support, shut up and smile. It’s the worst part of politics.
The cult of personality will not get us better health care.
The cult of personality will not get us a better Afghan policy.
It will not help us settle the Middle East logjam, which everyone fears is frozen, yet again.
And the cult of personality will not help Democrats, liberals and those refusing that label, keep wingnuts and their ilk out of power come 2010 and beyond.
We’re sending Obama and the Democrats a message and they should listen to us.
So, with the White House agenda more about getting a “win” wherever they can than what that “win” will mean for the rest of us, especially going forward, there is no way I’m going to shrug and say “go Obama.”
Comments are open.
Here, Here!!!! Nothing is ever going to change for the good if everybody just goes along to get along. Peacemaking is a process. A long, difficult labor of love which requires patience and a willingness to take an arrow in the heart if that’s what’s required to move the ball down the field. (Hopefully, there were enough mixed metaphors there to make the point?) Now for the supreme irony. On Thursday Obama will be receiving the Nobel Peace Prize! And God said “HA.” Peace
As for Andrew Sullivan. He jumped the shark a long time ago. He is the high priest of the Obama cult.
Speaking of Pumas,Riverdaughter wrote a terrific post over on The Confluence.It is on the College of Cardinals influencing the way American women recieve healhcare.
the senate is out of control on hcare. they were going to open medicare now it looks like crap, wont be the real medicare program but some new offshoot for a few folks. the only way this can pass and the base be satisifed is via the nuclear option or reconcialiation. yet neither are on the table. lieberman says no to expanding mediciad, conrad says no to opening medicare to 55 and up. its insane. no leadership. then obama proposes a new jobs bill today. um like its enough. 300 bil aint enough for sure. its half measures.
the base hasnt imploded on obama yet- but will soon. hcare isnt lookin good after a yr of debate, the war proposal has almost no real dem support on the hill and activists oppose it,etc.. how pathetic. like in the bush i feel we are left to fend for ourselves.
i know what u mean about pumas on both sides here. i have friends who slam obama every freakin day over things i dont get. they oh but hillary was better. they even back the war bc hillary explained it at hearings. how silly.i dont think hillary and gates pushing for those new troops was much help. obama as usual over comrpomised the whole thing and we still dont get the whole policy. lets face it this is a trainwreck. we are watching it. a president and his party seem paralyzed in ability togovern. it takes weeks for harry reid to get the senate to extend unemployment ins. for 12 wks. its taken a yr and we still watch in horror over the joke calle dhcare as obama shouts pass something. this country needs leadership fast. its the gilded age II.
see the sen dems bc of conrad and no one pushing for what is right fromt he top have turned medicare 55 into something stupid and unacceptable. as usual
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/08/public-option-grand-compromise-becomes-a-grand-big-nothing/
The Nobel Peace Prize seems ironic to me… But I read an editorial the other day in the Chicago Tribunewhich stated he deserves it just because he was elected. I do not agree with the premise. Here it is for anyone interested:
http://tinyurl.com/yhl6gu7
Sorry to get OT Taylor… I agree with your post. I am not happy with much of this president’s actions and Afghanistan seems like a fiasco so far…
If there was “justice” in the Democratic party, then Hillary Clinton would have been the Democratic nominee, and more than likely, our president. But noooooooooooooooooooooooo!….
Give three hundred million Americans a million dollars each and watch the economy improve. It sounds good to me.
amabomom…how does the math work out with your proposal? I’m so simple mainded with math it seems like it would be 300 million dollars but I think I’m wrong about that.
Wow, thought that word (PUMA) was extinct …
By now , I could have guessed they all went under the species Palinites … !
If we’re guilty of projecting our expectations on Obama, it’s in part due to his obvious intelligence and his values. There is a disconnect between what he says and then what he does (it seems to me). I find it very frustrating. I was a Hillary supporter originally strictly on my judgment that she would be more liberal, more progressive. I switched easily enough to Obama, though I questioned how liberal he was. Nonetheless his intelligence gave me hope. Past tense.
Yes, Lake Lady, it would be a total of 300 million dollars which is much less money than has been spent so far on the first stimulus package, and TARP. I could take that million dollars and live the rest of my days off of it.
Now Obama is proposing a second stimulus package. How stimulating! This is the same old Democratic story. Through money at a problem as if that is the solution. This Democrat believes it’s the Democrats that are the problem, with Republicans not far behind.
As for the comment about Palinites, I’ll take that as a compliment. There’s no one in the Democratic power structure, other than Hillary Clinton, that I am even remotely impressed with. I’ve evolved from a Democrat only voter to a voter who will choose country over party.
I also agree with the troop surge in Afghanistan, but that is the only thing that I find myself agreeing with Obama. Obama is a big disappointment, but that doesn’t surprise me since I believed all those accolades about his intelligence were way too generous. I am glad that I didn’t vote for him.
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amabomon says:
08 December 2009 at 10:33 pm
” I am glad that I didn’t vote for him.”
Hi Amabomon…you seem new here…so I’ll pose the question anyway….aheeeem….are you saying you voted for Mccain/Palin…if so then could you please elaberate how you can evaluate Barack Obama with any ounce of credibility?
I only have one thing to say – thank you Taylor and amen.
Did anyone listen to the Presidents speech today (yes another speech) about job creation?
The only correct thing he said was that the government can only do so much.
Past that….a one year no capital gains for small business, hahahahaha. He has no clue what he’s doing. Not surprising since his financial “advisors” are all folks tied to Wall Street. As Imhotep said in another thread…when are people going to wake up??? Using TARP funds for a second stimulus….hahahahahhaha.
IMO heres the first thing this administration needs to do, put the screws to the banks and force them to lend money. Why aren’t they lending money….low interest rates. There is nothing immediate in it for them. Can’t raise the interest rates because, well we all know why. Send the posse after them if they don’t lend. Any idiot, Dem or Repub knows that small business creates the bulk of jobs in this country. Why, because they are more flexible, nimble and can respond to the market better.
Frankly, this guy is an idiot. He doesn’t have a clue. It does NOT SURPRISE ME because I never saw him for what he is not.
I will be ecstatic when he goes to Hawaii for two weeks. Maybe we will catch a break and not have to hear another speech that makes no sense.
As for Afghanistan, listen closely Obama fans, I am severely disappointed in the SOS for playing the game re: withdrawal. It’s politics as usual folks. It makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.
End of rant.
I’ll let you guess who I voted for dafederalist. Credibility, as in beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I won’t doubt your credibility for discussion and evaluation of the president based on how you voted in the general election since that would be rather childish. Besides, that just might come back and bite you where the sun don’t shine considering that Mr. Obama seems to have deviated from what many of you probably consider the “righteous” path.
Nice rant, kris.
Your conclusion tonight is what I felt I knew already before the general election.
kris said:
As for Afghanistan, listen closely Obama fans, I am severely disappointed in the SOS for playing the game re: withdrawal. It’s politics as usual folks. It makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.
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me too…
amabomon says:
09 December 2009 at 12:38 am
Hello Again Newbie…now it is Obvious you are new to taylormarsh.com. Let me bring you up to speed….Ms. Marsh had to drag most of us kicking and screaming to support then Democratic nominee Obama—why you ask…..aheemm….because numb nuts John Mccain got on National TV and said he didn’t know much about the economy……and about a month or soo later—the banks started failing faster than Tiger Woods could fail at his wedding vows….I must admit that had Mitt Romney got the Republican Nomination and had he performed better during the primary—-with a proven record of running a state, getting statewiide health care..etc Just maybe he would be president but again….We cant judge the economy on the President we wish we had (Hillary Clinton I WISH) we just have to make due that the alternative to Barack Obama would have been JOHN “Bomb Bomb Bomb Ba Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran” Mccain.
whitepaw says:
09 December 2009 at 1:12 am
kris said:
As for Afghanistan, listen closely Obama fans, I am severely disappointed in the SOS for playing the game re: withdrawal. It’s politics as usual folks. It makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.
Hi Whitepaw and Kris. I cant be upset with SOS Hilary Clinton because as SOS she serves at the president of the President. As much as I cant stand anything he is doing….He won and The Better person most ept to do the Job…Hillary Clinton, lost.
Look, I’m all in favor of critisizing President Obama, have plenty of times myself. BUT the critisizim has reached a level of disconnect from reality that used to be found only at college anarchist meetings or on faux notnews. Facist? Royal? Warmonger?
Ms. marsh, I luvz ya, ya knowz I duz. But even you would have to admit I would think that the Imhopless brand of hate all things Obama is so far over the top as to be an immediate turn off to most folks interested in the reality based universe.
The fecal smeared conflaguration just dosen’t cut it as a communication device.
Am I disappointed in President Obama’s performance? FU*KIN A. But would I or any sane person seriously say there’s NO DIFFERANCE between him and Bush?! Only if I was off my thorizine.
“Idon’t really fear a Republican return to power.”
That statement scares me almost more then a repugnantklan return to power.
Are memories in America REALLY that short? Almost makes me wish it would happen just to see the folks reactions.
Look, I SURE ain’t no math wizard…but 300 million times 1 million is…300 million.
I must confess of ALL the things I fault President Obama for just making the people RESPONSIBLE for the melt down RICHER does really frost my doughnut!
I disagree, the issue is not the criticism towards the President and the democrats but rather the very incomplete picture of what is going on. When an incomplete picture with which you disagree is painted as the truth, and justifies all the anger and frustration directed at the president, it is easier to switch of because arguing the contrary is just exhausting. I like nuances and balanced reporting, I don’t believe in black and white, and don’t believe in collective anger, therefore avoid some sites (including the Huffpost) not because I cant stand my “Hero” Barack Hussein Obama being criticised but rather because titles like “leaderless”, “traitor”, “Weakness”, “sell-out to banks” and other misleading “be very angry” titles favoured by the media but especially the blogosphere leave me cold. I find them unconvincing, meaningless and irritating.
This also includes titles like “Obama called me to tell me to stop demeaning him”. Somehow I just don’t see Obama calling all the congressmen who criticise or insult him asking them to stop. My guess is that he has some sort of relationship, maybe friendly relationship with the Rep. That the Rep does not disagree with him and says so is perfectly normal and healthy, but when I read the article on the HuffPo I was like what is the point? That Obama is now a whiner or that he expects all black congressmen to agree with him? What sort of discussion is that supposed to encourage. What about sweeping statements like everything Obama says is a lie, Or he doesn’t have a clue? No real dialogue can start with that. While I agree with the many of the criticisms voiced, misleading reporting and lack of balance is what kills dialogue for some of us rather than hero worship.
“Idon’t really fear a Republican return to power.”
That statement scares me almost more then a repugnantklan return to power. Are memories in America REALLY that short? Almost makes me wish it would happen just to see the folks reactions.
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Agree.
It is very misleading to focus on the failings of the Dems “can they achieve anything good!?!” without mentioning that at the moment there is only one party that is attempting to really govern the US and tackle the issues we are facing, and it is the dems. That the work of the current administration is greatly hindered by the various procedural tricks GOPers are using to delay appointments to senior positions or delay the adoption of any reform. Despite that GOPers are complaining that the current legislative agenda imposed by the president and the dems is so dense that laws they would have opposed are passing without them being able to muster opposition. What about the work of Dems like Barney Frank who are working like mad to pass a bill that will restrict the power of banks and start tackling the too big to fail issue with some credibility.
It is a pity because at the moment we really need a strong opposition party with ideas as to how to tackle the challenges facing America.
I don’t like it at all, secularh, believe me, but Imhotep represents a growing number of the disaffected that are our reality. It’s time you and others understood that Obama has lost the Rep. voters he won over in 2008, which is to be expected, but that independents are at the very least skeptical after 11 months of his presidency.
Obama also allowed the Sarah Palin contingent to hijack the health care debate, which was a sign of deplorable leadership from him.
The other reality is that the American people have VERY short memories, that includes re: Bush. However, they do remember the flight of Obama’s campaign and what was promised. Even though there is absolutely no doubt that Obama’s presidency began on circumstances not his making, like Jimmy Carter, he’s stuck with what he has inherited and is expected to deliver “change.” Many just aren’t seeing it, with what’s being accomplished not what was hoped from a Democratic majority.
Young people and women are not pleased right now; the former unlikely to come out next year, but that’s usual in an off year election, with the latter a serious question mark. A Democratic majority is a terrible thing to take for granted.
Hey Lake Lady, everyone. Just so you know, the main page post had OPEN COMMENTS, so everyone could have posted their replies over there. I’m opening comments on some main page posts, the only point being that everyone stay on topic.
I’m afraid I was misunderstood. I probably did not make myself clear. I don’t fear a Republican retrurn to power because I think that is impossible. The Dems are down but the Repubs are WAY down.
Another thing….It is a mistake to think all Puma sites are pro Palin. Many are sites of disaffected Democrats but their values are still liberal. They might defend attacks on Palin for feminist reasons but not because they would vote for her.
Isis …I know the Repubs are doing everything they can to obstuct any progress. I think they are demonstrating the height of irresponsibily to their constutuients and to this country. However, we have Democratic majorities and it is Democrats who are making hash of a UHC bill.
Oh! I didn’t realize that Taylor. I thought you meant if anyone put up a diary on your post that the comments would be open to all topics. Silly me. I like that idea to be able to make comments directly on your post.
dafederalist is correct,….Taylor did drag many of us kicking and screaming to support Obama. Mccain /Palin was unthinable. However, my original misgivings about Obama have shown themselves to be valid. I thought he was too inexperienced, that he had come up way to fast, that to much had been handed to him because of his obvious talents and skills,that he had not ever dug in and accomplished something for his constituents.I believe that he has an overconfident opinion of his ability to pursuade. I never bought the saga that he pulled himself up from meager beginnings. I think he has been pampered and loved to death and spent almost all of his time in the rarified atmosphere of elite education. When he is among regular people he always seems like he is on an anthropology field trip.
Nothing stated above means I think we should have Republicans in power.
Lake Lady says:
09 December 2009 at 9:19 am
No problem! It’s been a long time since I opened comments on main page posts. Off topic comments will be deleted, however. In the News VERY important for you all, which I still hope grows.
Obama was and is elitist. Obama was and is a corporatist. Obama wasn’t and isn’t a progressive. He has been slow to recognize that the people who are angry, fearful of their future, and in deep need are not simply going to continue to follow. They are realizing that he isn’t and wasn’t “the one’s we’ve been waiting for.”
He’s smart enough and perhaps talented enough that he can likely get it together and realy make a difference to the people. It just depends on how deeply enmeshed he is wit the money from the REAL sources that brung him to the big dance. And it depends on what his real principles are and where his heart and soul truly are.
“Young people and women are not pleased …” Taylor
A good number of LGBT residence are not pleased, either.
And, yes, taking a Democratic majority for granted is a terrible thing, as is the accompanying taking voters for granted. A part of what’s happening now is voters trying to let the Democratic majority and President know they should be very careful about taking their votes for granted and depending on the “they have no where else to go” argument. What to do to geth their attention?
hc4bo says:
08 December 2009 at 9:29 pm
Wow, thought that word (PUMA) was extinct …
By now , I could have guessed they all went under the species Palinites … !
I don’t often disagree with you hc4bo, but that is insulting. There is no comparison.
Well, Joyce Arnold, I think the New voters the DNC was so ecstatic about (that they suspended their rules so they could avoid their rules) weren’t anywhere to begin with and so there is no such thing as nowhere to go for them. They’ll just cease and desist from participating – again.
Discussion continues here…
http://www.taylormarsh.com/2009/12/08/obamas-pumas/
I’ll get jumped on for this, but here goes.
What did everyone expect when they voted a middle of the road democrat into the white house? Obama is not a left of center or progressive democrat, he’s right in the middle of the democratic party. Did you all buy the repug line that he was the most liberal democrat in the senate?
In the last election we changed who sits in the white house, but we sent the same old crowd back to congress. The leadership in congress did not change, we have the same bought and paid for leaders in charge. I now hear people lamenting about Hillary, like she could have done any better. Hillary is also another middle of the road democrat.
Progressive’s made a small step when we elected Obama, but the sad truth is we do not control the democratic party yet. We are far better off then we have been for the last eight years, but until we change the leadership in the democratic party, this is the best we will get.
djjl, very likely you are right. Those voters are gone.
angels81, “Did you all buy the repug line…?” No, I didn’t. Nor did I buy the “cult of personality” lines which Taylor so nicely summarizes. We definitely need to change leadership, as you say. How to do that seems to be the question.
Progressive’s made a small step when we elected Obama…
That is the biggest error in analysis that plagues the Obama Pumas.
Obama is not only NOT an ideologue, let alone a “progressive,” he’s not a “small step” in any direction other than he’s not McCain-Palin. Obama’s non-ideological compass is something I warned people about over and over again, which no regular reader from the last two years has forgotten, angels81, so you’re missing the point. He doesn’t care at all about Democratic imperatives, with his whole notion of presidential power to get “wins” that represent compromise in order to keep his power base. His speech last week on Afghanistan, which was not only nonsensical, but a muddled mess, was more proof of this fact. His lack of passion on health care, other than to get a “win,” is another.
Again, you posit that we should simply be happy with Obama because he’s “a small step” towards some “progressive” goal, which Barack Obama does not embrace, represent or care about in the least.
This is not about Hillary Clinton for me, but since *you* invoked her name, I will say one thing. First, in Afghanistan, the escalation would have come earlier and been robust, with no mention of a July 2011 draw down, eliciting a cacophony from the left that would deafen the tea party activists. She would *not* have taken as firm a line on settlements as Obama, nor given a speech in Cairo. She would, however, have led on health care from the start, with there never being a doubt what she wanted and what she would have vetoed. You all can decide on what all that would have meant. I’m just giving you the reality, as few know HRC’s politics better than myself.
Saying that we are now “far better off” than we were with Bush is NOT what a Democratic majority was supposed to mean. Even worse, from PPP:
All leaders in Congress & from the White House have a choice to coerce members to follow, with ramifications if they don’t. Obama chose bipartisanship, which he did not get, which allowed his own majority to, forgive the words, go rogue.
It’s better to be feared than loved. But when things turn sour and you’re heading toward neither it’s even worse.
Far from jumping on you angels,I completely agree. I knew that Obama was no liberal during the general. That does not keep me from bitching about him though. I also agree that Hillary is an establishment Democrat. However, she has a lot more experience and a history of coming through for her state.The stories of Hillary coming through for people are legion. No doubt she would be facing the push back that Obama is facing from the right and she would probably be blamed for it by the MSM. I believe I saw a change in her during the campaign,maybe it was all just trying to win but she seemed to be connecting with the people as she campaigned,connecting with their problems.I believe she would not have focued on bipartisanship nor would she be rolled by congress or bothered by criticism. As for who she would have on an economic team,I can’t guess but I don’t think she would be cowed by whomever she had.Her hawkishness makes me nervous but she has been privy to what presidents know for a long time.
As for you point about getting better Dems in office,I couldn’t agree more.
There’d be a greater likelihood of getting “better Dems in office” if there were a better or even REAL Dem in the WH.
No angels81, Obama is turning out to be exactly what I feared he was.
Those Dems mny seem to be having a problem with or simply following the lead of the POTUS Barack Obama.
Correction:
Those Dems many seem to be having a problem with are simply following the lead of the POTUS Barack Obama.
Rahm wants to protect the likes of Lincoln, Nelson, Landrieu,Carper, Dorgan,etc. An lordy don’t upset Snowe or Collins – but especially Snowe.
djjl…you make a good point. When all these inititives come to naught because they are so poorly conceived it is not exactly an advertisement for electing Dems.
I know Taylor says the electorate has a short memory but I can’t see any Republican on the horizon who is strong. If this country would elect the likes of Sarah Palin then it is time for all of us to find another country to live in, pronto.On the other hand we could lose a number of congressional seats.
I am all out of positive answers…I thought a Democratic majority was the answer,sadly I was wrong.
“so far over the top” rhetoric? I’ll give you some “over the top” rhetoric if you’d like? Thst way you can make a fair comparison about what I have said and what I could have said. Thus far I’ve been pretty tame in my criticism of Obama. But, some of you are daring me to do otherwise. I just hope that I can restrain myself and continue to display at least a modicum of civility?? Peace
The Democratic Majority could be an answer if the Democratic President acted like he wanted Democratic initiatives enacted. The Democrats in Congress just don’t know when he’s going to leave them high and dry – again.
Imhotep
Nobody is daring you to do anything. You will do what you will.
BBL
djjl, lighten up my friend. I was making a funny. Which I guess missed the mark? Peace
Yep, you’re right Imhotep. I guess I was letting my sour mood show. Sorry friend
Rock and roll Imhotep. I love reading your comments.
McCrysthal with Amanpour on CNN right now.
Imhopless sez:”Thus far I’ve been pretty tame in my criticism of Obama. But, some of you are daring me to do otherwise. I just hope that I can restrain myself and continue to display at least a modicum of civility??”
You gad a typeO thar. Should read LAME, not tame.
Look, I SURE ain’t no math wizard…but 300 million times 1 million is…300 million.
It’s actually 300 TRILLION. That’s an almost unimaginable amount of money. Many, many times the federal budget.
Give everyone one thousand dollars, and the total would be $300 billion. And the effect on the economy would be minimal (we tried a smaller version under Bush, and it did almost nothing to stimulate the economy).
I would urge some of the people here who have issues with the money part to read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget
Good overview of the budget.
My take on Obama:
Basically what I expected. Very disappointed on HCR, but he will get something through.
The economy, I think he’s generally made good choices. I would hva eliked a bigger stimulus, but it wouldn’t get through Congress. The Bailout? My felling is, no bailout, we have a COMPLETE collapse of the world economy. Unemployment is 10%, would be upwards of 15% w/o some type of bailout. I worked in insurance, AIG had so many fingers in so many pies the domino effect would be un believable.
I never would have thought that GOP would actually be as bad as they are, they actually revel in ignorance. Can’t work with anyone in the party, and half the Dem senators are useless and/or stupid as hell.
Good luck on getting a hard-left progressive type ever elected. I suggest people here need a reality check.
I especially liked the one who said Obama has had everything handed to him, because we all know that being an African-American male gives you such a leg up in the US.