What is Going On Here?
21 October 2009 11:04 am by texan4hillary
http://tinyurl.com/ylhp9c3
Avarosis wants to know what is wrong here. Pelosi leads on po. Reid dithers. WH wont push po but po unites dems and most in the country. john asks- did obama promise big pharma not to push po in exchange for their help? obama’s statements make zero sense. “pass the bill you least like” and “po is best way to go but I wont fight for it.” I mean come on. Sure he wont lead on it. If it becomes law its bc of progressives finding their power and pushing it. But it seems like more is here. I’m thinking the po was sacrificed by wh to get pharma on board. we should demand to know. he campaigned on it and should not be allowed to back out so easy on his promises. I want that pccc ad on reid run-but on obama. I cant help but think that is next and it should be. “hey obama-want to win re election-then why don’t u support the po?”
And yes obama’s people know how to push. They pushed the climate bill thru the house. wapo had a story on bank reg. rep bean-a blue dog with big bank ties tried to kill a new rule that lets states once again go after banks. wh got to her-pushed her around and suddenly she dropped her oppo to it. then other blue dogs suddenly stopped criticizing reg banks. its clear wh shut them down on that one.
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It’s FAR simpler than this, t4h. Obama doesn’t care about the public option per se and never has, having no interest in using political capital to get it passed, because he thinks ANY BILL AT ALL will be historic, because no other president has gotten this far on health care, let alone been on the cusp of passing “reform.”
Guess what? He’s correct on the narrow point, which is ANY BILL AT ALL will be historic, because no president has gotten this far on health care legislation and “reform.”
The broader analysis has to do with whether it’s actually health care reform or simply health care insurance reform, but regardless SOMETHING – ANYTHING will get passed.
Obama knows this and is riding the wave. He also believes everyone else will ride with him in the end.
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I think Avarosis friend is on the right track. I’ve long felt that Obama made deals that didn’t include the PO. He wants the money from the Big Health Interests. It’s the special interest folks who got him elected imo. If we get a PO it will because the people demand it and the people will get it done. The Administration couldn’t do much more to defeat it unless they strangled it in the public square.
I think that Obama can be a very competent President – he just doesn’t act on any meaningful principles when it comes to the rank and file citizen.
I completely agree with Taylor. IT is that simple. But, I also, think he made agreements not to pursue public option. Why else would his Administration have acted as it has? the only way we’ll get a public option is if the public demands it so soundly that the politicians face a political cost if they don’t follow. Democratic Senators are all but begging for the President to participate in promoting a public option. Obama should be ashamed.
Have you all seen this today? It’s about Rahm, which isn’t that far off from the topic at hand, as it’s Axelrod & Rahm who have convinced Obama that having an historic bill has nothing to do with what the bill actually does.
HOUSE QUAKE THE FILM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/us/politics/22baker.html
So for Democrats, the film may be a welcome reminder of how they got to where they are today. For Republicans, it may be a lesson in how they can do to Mr. Emanuel what he did to them.
I guess I’ll go “cling” to my religion while I pray that a public option passes (after making more calls and gotta go buy stamps to mail my letters). Damn, I don’t have a gun to cling to – nah – not gonna get one either – just keep clinging to my religion.
Oh man, you’re really asking for it on that one, djjl. I sincerely hope we don’t get into a primary pissing contest again. But I get that you and others are very upset. I see it in emails every day.
Harry Reid tweets they’re going after antitrust:
http://twitter.com/SenatorReid/statuses/5045524933
(backdrop is the glorious and beautiful Red Rock)
I really don’t care as long as we get A bill. anything. anything at all. Heck it could make things worse, or do nothing at all and I’d still be happy! It’s historic! Historic I tell you!
/snark
heh-heh… –insert larger cackle here–
ps-Daubry, you’re doin’ great on Twitter!
So it is about power for power’s sake? Nothing to do with bettering the lives of millions of Americans?
BTW wasn’t tranparency one of Obama’s key campaign promises?
I really don’t know how Obama sleeps at night,if he truely does read the letters from citizens that he speaks about. Has he not been touched at all by the stories?
Just how long does he think average citizens can go on being looted by banks and insurance conpanies? Does anyone ever look at the big picture? How many bankruptcies and forclosure do we have to have? Do we need to start a Hooverville on the grounds of the capitol?
Lake Lady
You expected him to govern the way he campaigned?
I’m a supporter of the public option, but I support it as a means to an end, rather than an end in and of itself. I’m starting to get worried that the public option has become a symbol of victory (or defeat) for both sides in this debate at the expense of other health care issues that need to be addressed. I’ve heard nothing about how to train more health providers and how to get more physicians into primary care. Are we pushing for the public option this hard because we want to beat the insurance companies? Or because this is the only way to get a good bill?
Hey, I just got a notice on our credit card from Citi – had it for over 15 years – never late – our interest rate is being raised to 30%. We pay it off each month – maybe they’re hoping we’ll slip into financial difficulty and they can put the screws to us too.
No pissing contest for me Taylor. I wasn’t really thinking of the primary season. What I was thinking of is how Obama has shown and spoken of his dismissive attitude to the troubles of the every day person in this country.
The folks without jobs and afraid of losing the one they have are just to stand by as Wall Street picks up their bonus money – thanks to the taxes those people paid/pay.
Obama surely does care on some level, but he certainly doesn’t show it. Well, anyway, we’ve got people enlisting in the military to get health insurance for their family.
psychodrew
I have read of plans to get more physicians into primary care. I’ll look for the artricle/s and post it.
psychodrew
I know the medical school here increased their enrollment from 150 to 176 2 years ago in anticipation of the increased need for physicians. The quality did not suffer – the increase was pretty much from allowing out of state students admission. State law had previously hindered out of state admissions.
On ‘Morning Joe’ this morning they were talking about Obama making a deal with Doctors. Is this an attempt to get Docs to back off on their support of the PO?
Yes djjl…silly me I did expect him to live up to some of his promises.
Hope you grandson is doing well. Be sure and watch his hearing after that many days of high temps.
Thanks Lake Lady.
Jared is doing better – temp still a bit over 100. He started eating and keeping food down yesterday afternoon. Pretty lethargic and clingy.
Should we have his hearing tested? He’s had it tested a couple years ago -he’d had chronic ear infections and finally tubes put in. One of the tubes has fallen out and he’s had several ear infections again. His dr says if she sees one more in the next few months she’ll refer him to have the tube put back in. What else do we watch for?
I just know that extended high temps can affect hearing. If he would have a hearing loss that goes undetected for a while it affects speech and learning.If you are sensitized to the possibility you will notice it and can have him tested.
Thanks Lake Lady. We’ll be aware.
Here’s a take from Ratigan:
“How much longer must we live in a country where the citizens are subservient to the banks, health insurance companies and any other special interest able to control our government at the expense of our the most basic principles of fairness, our future as a nation and, as a result, our freedom?”
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dylan-ratigan/why-would-we-let-them-rig_b_302480.html
BTW does he still have his tonsils? We went through all the ear infections and tubes with my daughter. She also had many strep throats. I had to change docs to get her tonsils removed because of conventional thinking at the time. She never had another strep or ear infection.
Lake Lady
Yes he has his tonsils. He’s never had strep. I’ve only had strep throat once – it was unbelie4vably painful and I was sooooo sick. I can’t imagine having that multiple times. How awful.
This is what I have been afraid of and why I have fought so strenuously for a po. This involves the 73 million who have insurance through their jobs.
http://tinyurl.com/yfkyd24
Read it and weep. This is what I have expected all along. Without a public option the people of this country will be at the mercy of the health insurance companies. We are not getting health care reform. We are getting health insurance reform, all to the advantage of the insurance companies. And a win for the sake of a win is no win at all. It’s a sell out.
Thanks Jane Austen – that is infuriating. I did not know that Walmart and other big companies were self insuring. My insurance is self-insuring. I accompanied a friend to their annual meeting for review of her insurance coverage which is also self-insured. She had a child refused mental health care and commented that she understood health insurance coverage would now be required to include mental health coverage – the insurance representative haughtily informed her that “that hasn’t been determined if that requirement will extend to “self-insured” groups.
Unbelievable: Woman’s Rape Called “Pre-Existing Condition” By Insurance Companies
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
About three weeks or so ago, I’d relented to an unwilling reality: that the Baucus Bill was the White House’s Bill, the one they wanted. The White House wants a bill that will become a bludgeon used to bash the Democratic Party.
Over the course of the last twenty years American citizens have been turned into consumers, then into debt self-encumbering hamsters powering the economic engine and over the last decade into am increasingly compelled ATM for corporate profit. Bankruptcy reform, the laughable cretinous Credit Card “interest cap”….
The Baucus bill is something so brazen even Republican’s wouldn’t have dared it. Yet with a “Democratic” gilding of it’s substantive lead it’s something that can be fobbed off on the public. A gift wrapped, Democratic approved, government mandated corporate entitlement program. Yet another policy perversion mislabeled as “Reform”.
The sickening thing is that this wasn’t just the best chance this may be the last chance to get this at all. The Federal Treasury’s all but bankrupt. The National Debt of the Reagan years was at least poured into development of an arms industry that had significant public applications, hence the tech boom. Unfortunately the new National Debt burden’s bought nothing, nothing but a quickened decline, with Democrats jumping on that downhill bandwagon.
Alan Grayson on DKos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/21/795703/-The-Congressman-With-Guts-Drops-By-for-a-Chat
scarecrow at fdl takes up this discussion, the thoery sounds right- wh sends staff to sen mtgs. staff stays rpetty mum as we heard rocky complain about today with no real guidance. staff si there to make tusre things to go off reservation. ie opening th epo to all of us as an option like obama promised 2 yrs ago. making sure the po, if is one, is not much-a sliver. food for thought. congress cannot brak the pharma and and other deals wh made so rahm keeps his eye on them. of course if congress had balls they would do what is right
the Democrats, popularly required by the Orwellianizing MSM to be known as the Progressives, had better hold the line and stop the White House from doing the Republican party’s work for them. Otherwise, this thing will pass, go into onerous effect and be gleefully wielded by Republicans (who love more of it than they’d openly a give a wink wink nudge nudge) as proof that “Democrats” hate Americans.