Villiage idiots and then some
13 September 2009 10:27 am by Jane Austen
This diary bumped from 6:43 a.m., 9.12.
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It’s early Saturday morning and it’s been an emotional week for all. So I’m posting a link to some really funny political cartoons and jokes. I love the irreverance that they show.
My husband and I love the political cartoons especially about village idiots and our politicians who love to stretch the truth, ignore the truth or don’t know what truth is.
To start the morning off I have my own offering courtesy of my Pastor. She sent these to me saying “we all need to laugh at the absurdities of life, especially our politics.”
A DC airport ticket agent offers 12 examples of ‘why’ our country is in trouble!
1. I had a New Hampshire Congresswoman (Carol Shea-Porter) ask for an aisle seat so that her hair wouldn’t get messed up by being near the window. (On an airplane!)
2. I got a call from a Kansas Congressman’s (Moore) staffer (Howard Bauleke), who wanted to go to Capetown. I started to explain the length of the flight and the passport information, and then he interrupted me with, ”I’m not trying to make you look stupid, but Capetown is in Massachusetts.” Without trying to make him look stupid, I calmly explained, ”Cape Cod is in Massachusetts, Capetown is in Africa.” His response — click.
3. A senior Vermont Congressman (Bernie Sanders) called, furious about a Florida package we did. I asked what was wrong with the vacation in Orlando. He said he was expecting an ocean-view room. I tried to explain that’s not possible, since Orlando is in the middle of the state. He replied, ‘don’t lie to me, I looked on the map and Florida is a very thin state!” (OMG)
4. I got a call from a lawmaker’s wife (Landra Reid) who asked, ”Is it possible to see England from Canada?” I said, ‘‘No.’’ She said, ”But they look so close on the map.” (OMG, again!)
5. An aide for a cabinet member (Janet Napolitano) once called and asked if he could rent a car in Dallas. I pulled up the reservation and noticed he had only a 1-hour layover in Dallas. When I asked him why he wanted to rent a car, he said, ”I heard Dallas was a big airport, and we will need a car to drive between gates to save time.” (Aghhhh)
6. An Illinois Congresswoman (Jan Schakowsky) called last week. She needed to know how it was possible that her flight from Detroit left at 8:30 a.m., and got to Chicago at 8:33 a.m.
I explained that Michigan was an hour ahead of Illinois, but she couldn’t understand the concept of time zones. Finally, I told her the plane went fast, and she bought that.
7. A New York lawmaker, (Jerrold Nadler) called and asked, ”Do airlines put your physical description on your bag so they know whose luggage belongs to whom?” I said, ‘No, why do you ask?’ He replied, ”Well, when I checked in with the airline, they put a tag on my luggage that said (FAT), and I’m overweight. I think that’s very rude!” After putting him on hold for a minute, while I looked into it. (I was dying laughing). I came back and explained the city code for Fresno, Ca. is (FAT – Fresno Air Terminal), and the airline was just putting a destination tag on his luggage.
8. A Senator John Kerry aide (Lindsay Ross) called to inquire about a trip package to Hawaii. After going over all the cost info, she asked, ”Would it be cheaper to fly to California and then take the train to Hawaii?”
9. I just got off the phone with a freshman Congressman, Bobby Bright (D) from Ala who asked, ”How do I know which plane to get on?” I asked him what exactly he meant, to which he replied, ”I was told my flight number is 823, but none of these planes have numbers on them.”
10. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D) called and said, ”I need to fly to Pepsi-Cola, Florida. Do I have to get on one of those little computer planes?” I asked if she meant fly to Pensacola, FL on a commuter plane. She said, ”Yeah, whatever, smarty!”
11. Mary Landrieu (D) La. Senator called and had a question about the documents she needed in order to fly to China. After a lengthy discussion about passports, I reminded her that she needed a visa. ‘Oh, no I don’t. I’ve been to China many times and never had to have one of those.” I double checked and sure enough, her stay required a visa. When I told her this she said, ”Look, I’ve been to China four times and every time they have accepted my American Express!”
12. A New Jersey Congressman (John Adler) called to make reservations, ”I want to go from Chicago to Rhino, New York.” I was at a loss for words. Finally, I said, ”Are you sure that’s the name of the town?” ‘Yes, what flights do you have?” replied the man. After some searching, I came back with, ”I’m sorry, sir, I’ve looked up every airport code in the country and can’t find a rhino anywhere.” ”The man retorted, ”Oh, don’t be silly! Everyone knows where it is. Check your map!” So I scoured a map of the state of New York and finally offered, ”You don’t mean Buffalo, do you?” The reply? ”Whatever! I knew it was a big animal.”
Now you know why the Government is in the shape that it’s in!
YES, THEY WALK AMONG US, ARE IN POLITICS, AND THEY CONTINUE TO BREED.
Like manure, you just gotta spread this around.
Have a good day!
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A funny read to start the day is always good. You know, 20,15, or even 10 years ago I would have said that this stuff was made up, but now I believe each and every single instance happened.
If you REALLY want a laugh look at the pictures from the “HUGE” rally of wingnuttya in Washington!!! WOW! There must be…oh…a couple of thousand folks there!! A WHOLE COUPLE OF THOUSANDS!!!
And the signage is just priceless.
Hmmmm. Democrats all.
A couple of thousand? The smoke from whatever you’ve been smoking must be getting in your eyes. Why write something that is so patently false? You think people can’t see for themselves?
i watched obama’s awesome rally in mn. on fire. really nailed- better than his wed speech. said why we need pub opt. talked about govt and the safety net and its our dtuy to preserve and expand it for the good of the people. when i get the vid will post. oh-20000 there at target stadium. wow
amabomon says:
12 September 2009 at 4:19 pm
Oddly CNN’s lead story write up on the Teabagger Rally doesn’t include any crowd estimate of rally, neither an off the cuff estimate by the reporter nor any official estimate from the National Park Service. Every rally I’ve been to, and oh ain’t I been to many, and read the coverage; every rally I’ve wanted to read up about, has always had estimates that I could “tsk, tsk….damn lowballing!” over.
Must be embarrasingly low turnout, so much so that to report the numbers would make coverage seem out of proportion.
just my minds eye on it of course.
autumnal says:
12 September 2009 at 4:45 pm
More like they are afraid to show the true number who time to venture to the capital to show their disapproval. CNN continues to be biased in favor of Obama, and their reporting reflects that. I watched CNN earlier, and one of the female correspondents said the total was huge, and she guessed higher than some would have thought were going to show up. I also so an above shot pan of the area, and secular’s “a couple of thousand” was ridiculously low. The truth will be known as soon as the police provide their crowd figure estimates. I’ll trust their figures more than any lamestream media these days.
corrections: “took” the time & I also “saw” an above shot pan.
You people are delusional if you think a public option is going to be a part of the Obama bill. Democrats will pay dearly for that in 2010.
The Obama rally had just over 10,000 people according to local news sources, not the 20,000 reported above.
nomobama says:
12 September 2009 at 4:52 pm
I can haz real Amerikkanz?
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Thanks for stopping by to grunt and drool…now go be stupid elsewhere.
amabomon
Do you want health care to succeed? Is it that you are Republican/conservative? or you just don’t like Obama?
Sandman
amabomon was more accurate in the crowd estimated sizes. The Washington Post said people started gathering hours before the Minnesota rally filling half the 20,000 seat arena. It seems that there were a lot more than 2,000 in DC – disheartening that there can be that many crazys.
djjl says:
12 September 2009 at 5:21 pm
“nomobama was more accurate in the crowd estimated sizes”.
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I don’t dispute that, I don’t know the facts on the numbers, and I’m not disheartened at all…Fu@k em’
Xenophobic idiocy won’t win this or any other battle unless we let them.
Sandman
I think you are right about the xenophobia. I don’t believe for one minute that even 10% of those people are concerned about what health care reform might cost. This is about irresponsible, immoral people stirring up ignorant people.
Whatever the numbers, which are all over the map, I’d suggest you question the photos being bandied about. See new main page post.
Way too swamped with work to watch politics today – but just a quick (curious) question:
How many ‘Non-White’ people can be observed in this march?
Just wonderin’.
the 20,000 number is pretty solid. i have friends who went. target seas about 18,000 for venue. the place was full to the brim. im readying cooridnation with cpc for next as whip begins among tri caucus. i find it odd pelosi getting wobbly onthose who brung her. her ties with black an dlatino members in congress are the bedrock of her speakership. her betrayl of them and their constituents would be colassal. it seems she iw illing to sacrafice the well being of minorities for any bill. that is why cpc and cbc are fighting so hard right now. black unemployment is huge-almost always in double digits. if no po imagaine the negative impact on them? also why is pelosi getting a big industry fundraiser this weekend after her wobbly appearance? im glad she can afford the purchase here but for the sake of black and latino communtiies their reps must fight or they will be ousted. pelosu may lose ocntrol of her caucus aides tell me if their concerns are ignored after brining her to speakership. their trust in her will be broken along iwth obama.
ntoe again what cbc member waters said to huffpo: the passion among tri caucus members for po is as great as their passion to end the iraq war. think about that. that is deep. serious. so wh pressures centrsit sellout for a trigger, progs get further enraged and grow mor ehardened in oppo, pelosi gets weak kneed and a big money boost from pharma, harry reid is willing to lose his seat for pharma as he caves for useless co ops. the only ones who have i think amoral consience on doing aright bill so middle america is not destroyed are prog caucus, black caucus and latino caucus. period. few others are looking out for the welfare of america. few.
pmichael- the dc rally is as white as snow. the grumpy old gop is mad and weak lneed dems cant give up enough. obama’s rally reflected shifting trends in america- lots of latinos, yong folks, etc.. it was cool and real to me. no swastikas!
pmichael
I doubt there could many….I saw one piece that said 99% – but that would still seem low.
Here’s the link for an analysis by Brian Ross at HuffPo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-ross/taxpayer-march—real-out_b_284402.html
scary-leader of teabaggin event quoted in huggpo on cnn saying-we jsut want to take america back to its better days of 100 yrs ago. wow. the gop is the party of lepen. our is a muddled chirac. i have no choice but to stick with muddled dems. these people scare the hell out of me and the fear fo the getting in keeps me with the dems.
Thanks, guys.
I’ve been saving this since the beginning of the year. Seems a good time.
Republican strategist, Mike Murphy:
“All these guys. It’s the nature of it.
And they’re going to, they’re going to go out
and–and it’s all right, it’s a constructive discussion.
But in the–at the end of the day here’s the one
statistic we all got to remember: the country’s changing.
Ronald Reagan won in 1980 with 51 percent of the vote.
We all worship Ronald Reagan. But if that election had
been held with the current demographics of America today,
Ronald Reagan would’ve gotten 47 percent of the vote.
The math is changing. Anglo vote’s 74 percent now,
not 89. And if we don’t modernize conservatism, we’re
going to have a party of 25 percent of the vote going
to Limbaugh rallies, enjoying every, every applause
line, ripping the furniture up. We’re going to be in
permanent minority status.”
We are witnessing the end of “White Supremacy” –
and it’s about time.
Thanks for that pmichael.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-bergthold/fired-up-and-ready-to-go_b_284648.html
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But although there were thousands of citizens at each place, the tone could not have been more different.
In Washington, crowds were angry. They carried ugly signs of the President as the “joker” or Hitler. At least one 65 year-old was demanding that the government stay out of his health care, even though he clearly had Medicare, a government, single-payer program. The message was anti-government, anti-Obama, anti-health reform, anti- just about everything. The rally was organized by Glenn Beck (the oft-given to crying or confusing “cavalry” with “calvary” Fox News host) and his 9-12 project, along with Freedom Works, a right-wing corporate lobbying organization headed up by former Rep. Dick Armey.
In Minneapolis, the 15,000 or so Minnesotans were happy and cheered the President has he leaped onto the stage and, in campaign mode, began to explain his health reform plan. Obama was in rare form.
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there’s a telling difference between the two events in DC and in MN being that DC is “national” event a year in the planning and months on the move, while the event in MN is by comparison an instant, local event. Alrighty then.
autumnal says
12 September 2009 at 8:14 pm
Why do you have to lie about stuff? The march in Washington was not planned for a year. The 912 organization only came into being sometime around the end of March. You do the math.
And djjl, I am not a Republican. I will not become a Republican. My politics have changed this past year. I’m for responsible government that runs within its means. I wonder what you will all think once the reality of the costs of Obama’s programs set in. And it’s not just healthcare that many are concerned about. It’s also Cap and Trade, which will send energy costs skyrocketing. How will progressives explain that to low income wage earners who depend on their cars to get to and from work? $6 dollar/gallon gas, 80% increase in electric bills, huge increases in heating oil, as if any of these are cheap now! I believe that the healthcare bill, as it stands now, will cause taxes to increase greatly. I also think it is a bad idea to take billions of dollars from Medicare to help finance his healthcare plan. Why do you think the elderly are against Obamacare? They realize that any money removed from Medicare is taken from them to be used by a larger group of people with which they will now compete for those resources. Now Obama indicates that these billions of dollars can be removed by dealing with waste and fraud in the Medicare system. Well, if there was that much waste and fraud in the system, don’t you think something would have been done about it years ago? Obamacare’s figures are too low. There are estimates that show it costing as much as $9 trillion dollars! Where will this money come from?
Obama also made a behind he scenes deal with Pharma that screws the consumer. How come we don’t hear all that much about that? I think if people understood that deal, most would say forget about Obamacare just based on that deal.
Thanks autumnal. I knew MN was a quick schedule but, I really didn’t know about thee 9/12 DC rally – never watch Fox.
The false meme on this site about menacing “angry mobs” at conservative rallies is unfair. Besides, the rally in Washington DC had a cross section of different political ideologies from conservative through liberal. Were many conservative? Most likely. Many were moderates, too.
You want to see anger, follow the progessive reactions to the meetings of the WTO where violence does occur.
Obama’s meeting in Minnesota today seemed like a “get out of Dodge” moment. He ran.
amabomon
Thank you for the reply. I’m not an Obama zealot. But, there must be something done about health care NOW. Personally, I’ve gone from just public option to single payer. I’d be happy to get public option. There is no good reason for the existence of health insurance companies.
http://www.web-rd.com/node/38
The Ponzi Scheme That Is Health Insurance
snip
“The damage that the insurance companies do is not limited to the
salaries of the CEOs,” says another contributor. “They waste the time
and resources of healthcare workers, institutions, and patients. They
are clearly a negative, wasteful element in healthcare today that needs to be heavily regulated, changed, or eliminated.”
snip
amabomon
The anger is not a false meme …………I’ve been to the several meetings here ….the people are angry and generally uninformed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
Just look at the pictures of the DC rally and the signs – it’s frightening.
The anger is real, but jeez, the majority of the people are civil. I’ve been to tea parties, and no one need be afraid of anyone there. They might have a differing of opinion, but you don’t see them throwing rocks through windows, setting cars or trash bins on fire. That seems to be the mo of some on the progressive side.
Many of the pictures are witty, and not frightening. They are no worse than the pictures that anti-Bush people used when he was in office. As I wrote before, a rally held against the WTO would be frightening.
Btw, I didn’t vote for George Bush.
Watching Keith Olbermann blathering is kind of frightening. Now there’s a personality that one needs to be careful around. I can see him giving someone a push as spittle comes firing out of his mouth. He reminds me of a rabid dog.
taylor, the picture was a still from a video. even msnbc showed it. no conspiracy or doctored photo.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32811368
here’s time lapse footage of the whole thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sjvc6baor8
djjl, huffpo just picked out the worst ten signs they could find. check out pajamasmedia for a more balanced look.
http://pajamasmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/12/they-will-be-heard/
I don’t disagree about the WTO stuff. I don’t particularly disagree about Olbermann. In general, I think they are much worse – I don’t ever recall people taking their assault weapons to Bush or Republican programs.
If you’ve read my posts over the last year plus, you’ll find that I really got tired of Obama supporters seeing racism at every turn. Personally, I thought the Obama campaign pulled the race card in a most despicable way. But, this nasty campaign looks just like deeply ingrained racism to me for the most part.
That is not to say that some people can’t hold considered policy differences with this Administration. But, the people I’ve seen don’t even know what his policies are for the most part.
nomobama says:
12 September 2009 at 8:58 pm
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If you call the POTUS a Commiemarxisocialistic reborn Hitler…then facts never mattered to begin with. It’s just a convenient way for a few troglodytes like Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh to control the ignorant with their “real Amerikkkan” message.
Some of these people are just scared, but in the internet age with all the info you want at your fingertips…there is no excuse for complicity and wilful ignorance, especially those elected GOPers who look the other way and even encourage this nonsense (when they damn well know better).
Now quit concern trolling and tell us how you really feel.
thanks lisalisalisa
I did go to your link. I certainly didn’t think every sign would have been as bad as those. As i said I don’t deny that some hold true policy differences. I’m sure pajamasmedia didn’t want to post the nasty signs either.
Look, this is where it is for me….I don’t want another failed presidency. It’s too expensive for us everyday folks. I was not an Obama supporter and came slowly to believe I had to vote for the Democratic nominee. I want Obama to succeed – I want life for the average person to improve. I’m tired of the rich getting richer on the backs of workers. And, I think that is a moral imperative to change health care in this country.
Sandmann says:
12 September 2009 at 9:26 pm
Yes, master.
Would you like an aspirin for your headache? How about another fifth?
Sandman\
I agreed with everything you said until the last line.
djjl says:
12 September 2009 at 9:23 pm
Ah, but I have read your posts for a couple of years. You are one of the actual sane ones here, although I disagree with you at times.
amabomon
Thank you.
djjl says:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/09/liberal_media_insanity_hits_ne.html
This is what the lamestream media has turned into.
Flags always fly at half staff during this time of the 911 remembrance. How can that have been forgotten Taylor?
It’s a half mast on 9/11.
Half mast at sea. Half mast on land. Many use them interchangeably, but technically, there is/was a difference.
Half staff on land.
djjl says:
12 September 2009 at 9:40 pm
“Sandman\
I agreed with everything you said until the last line”.
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That’s fine, maybe you’ve known this person much longer than me and have a broader perspective on him/her.
With a SN like Amabomon or Nomobama..I’m pretty sure the idea of a rational conversation is debunked IMO.
amabomon says:
12 September 2009 at 8:31 pm
oh my apologies dude, I watched Glen Beck say he started preparing the rally (not the teabagging element though) a year ago. I realize he’s not all that credible. I accept your depiction of the actual timeline. It’s what I get for accepting as factual any bit of information that comes out of that talking head. duoh!
Sandmann says:
12 September 2009 at 10:04 pm
Are you dyslexic?
I wasn’t attempting to correct your terminology. Just that the day was 9/11 and not 9/12. But, thanks for the lesson.
amabomon says:
12 September 2009 at 10:10 pm
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/11/AR2009091103274.html?nav=hcmodule
A Dangerous Kind of Hate
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621
A Dangerous Kind of Hate… Democrat style.
Now tell me what is worse? Please? You can’t point out just one side if you want to be fair. George Bush was subjected to this vitriol for quite some time. To me, neither is good, but Democrats need to acknowledge that this is nothing new as they were doing to Bush for years. I contend that Obama’s treatment has been much more tame than the hate that was expressed for Bush.
nomobama says:
12 September 2009 at 10:44 pm
“I contend that Obama’s treatment has been much more tame than the hate that was expressed for Bush”.
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After having America rally around President Bush after 9/11, Bush & Co. then used and politicized the emotions from that day to start the Iraq war. Gee, I wonder why people were pissed after they found it to be a sham?
Now Glenn Beck is politicizing 9/11 (9/12 movement) into anti-Obama fodder, using that which united us to divide us further…once again the emotions of 9/11 are being used by the right as leverage against the very same people who stood by their side in a time of need — sickening BS.
There is no comparison.
I don’t want any kind of hate. and, I don’t find it equivalent to what we have been seeing from Fox News , Limbaugh hate machines for money.
the adl and southern poverty law have both been alramed and done reports ont hese tea bag events. it alrams the hell out of me. im jewish and i can tell u a bunch of nagry white folks with swastikas, racial emails bombarding black congressmen etc infuriates me. this is what is left of the gop. the party of le pen. please read up on the recruitment of white supramcacists at the events. it has been such a boon for the ayan nation clubs the dept of homeland security has wanred us of possible violence against people of color, faith etc.. adl has well documented very serious things going on. note today’s story-threats against obama is up 400x the norm. bc of these fanatical rallies and their glen becks the president’s life i think is in danger. maybe more danger we wish to discuss. many of these folks are brainwahsed. these folks thought bill clinton murdered vince foster. now they think obama is a black marxist and a foreigner. some people believe this and i fear will try to harm potus and his cabinet. when sen cardin and rep barney frank have to stare down swastikas and hitler signs is beyond offensive. cardin and frank are jews and as a jew u could do nothing more offensive than flash a swastika. nothing.
want to see some here folks? freerpublic was int he streets in dc. know them? one of the most anti jew orgs in the world. remember the dud e who murdered a security guard at the us holocaust musuem and tried to kill dozens? freerepublic hosted this guy’s jew hate writing and fostered his views. want to see more? have your gut churned here-
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/12/racism-912-beck/
texan4hillary says:
12 September 2009 at 6:51 pm (Edit)
the 20,000 number is pretty solid.
That number is too low, t4h.
Hey lisalisalisa, re: PajamasMedia photo link, it is not representative of the majority of the pictures. I’ve seen so many photos today, most of them over the top. It’s just the nature of this march, which was also missing any diversity whatsoever.
t4h, my sister is jewish and works for a jewish community center in VA. Their center was vandalized with hate crime stuff. This is the second time it has happened. She said that if it can happen there it can happen anywhere and “pay attention”.
http://www.dailypress.com/news/wtkr-nn-hatecrime-jews,0,2738850.story
yes i heard of this. i used to work for a org which focused on hate crimes and how to stop them.what is going on at these rallies should alarm every american. the reactionary tone,t he signs saying all sorts of things about blacks and jews. statements like “send the ilegals back with bullets int heir heads: should alarm peace loving peoples of the world. threats against my synogogue is up so high we once again have to pay for even more sccurity- the threats are as high as during the israeli-lebanon war II. yes some of these people at these dc protests were not hate mongers, but with free rpublic and arayn nation int he crowds recuriting it must alarm the hell out of secret service and fbi. we have enough probs int his country now old hatred are back in f ront of us. lie mike mruphy said these people are ruinign what is left of gop image. they are harming america’s image further.
I am just catching up with this thread. Djjl..rational as always I agreed with all that you added to this conversation.
pmichael has to be right about all this hatred spewing out. Most American people must be watching this and seeing this movement for what it is….ugly fear. Our country is changing so much,I think for the better in that it is becoming much more multi-ethnic. I see that as added richness others see it as a huge threat to the social order.
This is a group who fears change, a group that needs iron clad structure. Think of the survivalists and militias they all take on a neo-natzi form.Those frightening christian camps look like Hitler youth to me.It is a huge irony amomg many that they are trying to lable Obama a Nazi
Where is the Statesman who can stand up to this mob like LBJ did during civil rights? It can’t be Obama. It has to be someone of stature and authority.Ted Kenndy could have done it. Carter? I think Bush Sr. is out of action,Bill Clinton is kind of hamstrung because Hillary is in the Administration.
Advocating the death of a president is certainly worse than putting a nazi moustache on Obama, or calling Obama a Socialist. Heck, the Democrats put one of those moustaches on Bush, too, but there was no crying on that one.
Hatred spewing in one direction? Yeah, whatever. Democrats are angels on one that, too. Large slices of America view these people as patriots. I tend to view them that way, too. Making blanket statements about all survivalist taking on the “Nazi form” is uninformed. Now, if you want to talk about Obama’s citizen’s militia, and how that sounds a bit like Nazism, I’d like to hear your thoughts on that.
Concerning Israel, I read this recently.
http://hashmonean.com/2009/06/19/jewish-support-only-6-of-israelis-polled-now-view-obama-as-pro-israel/
I have wondered in the recent past why there seems to be such a divergence of opinions between Jews in Israel, and Jews in the US concerning the Obama administration. I write this because of what usually seems to be a solid, pro-Israel lobby here in the states. Interestingly, some of the most pro-Israel support seems to come from Republicans, and Christian conservatives, of which I’m neither. Is there a disconnect between American and Israeli Jews, and if so why? Is it Obama’s policies in relationship to the state of Israel?
I was so glad to read that “some” of these marchers weren’t “hate mongers”. That was nice of you. I wonder how many of these people are more stridently pro-Israel than Jewish American Democrats?
that is “angels on that one, too.”
amabomon says:
12 September 2009 at 10:44 pm
Now tell me what is worse? Please? You can’t point out just one side if you want to be fair. George Bush was subjected to this vitriol for quite some time. To me, neither is good, but Democrats need to acknowledge that this is nothing new as they were doing to Bush for years. I contend that Obama’s treatment has been much more tame than the hate that was expressed for Bush.
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whoah a bit of back and forth can be funny and all but someone needs a dosing of perspective. Initially the rage of the tea party people was valid and dare I say rationally based. What’s been going on these last few months especially from August til now has been a hijacking of that rationally based rage. The tea party movement was in response to the Trillions in Bailouts to the financial sector that carried no promise of return and exacted no repercussion upon or accountability from the financial sector. Dick Army and the like showed up to expropriate the animosity, to hijack it for their own pet peeves.
Evil Obama and the nazidemocrats are going to force health care on us all. You try to equate that with the Bush Administration?
FISA? Gitmo? Extraordinary Rendition? Enhanced Interrogation Techniques? Torture? Abu Graib? No WMD? Trying to ignore habeus corpus? Asserting Iraqi Complicity in September 11th? Ginned up intelligence? 1000s of lies to push a war? disastrous, criminaly negligent prosecution of TWO WARS? Tax breaks for the wealthy? Signing statements? Executive Orders? 50,000+ dead US service personnel? Uncountable numbers of Iraqis and Afghans dead? While the willful ineptitude marched on? Sorry I have to stop typing somewhere….I’ll just have to leave off with etc, etc, etc ad nauseam
Are you really trying to say Obama’s done 0.0000000000000001% as much as Bush to earn “Tsk Tsk” rights? Get a bit of perspective before you try to establish parity or any kind of comparison. Please! Woof.
Ya know there’s weight and intensity and justification to responsible outrage and then there’s just plain hatred vented as rage. They aren’t the same thing you know. Really they aren’t related one bit. The first one, one does because one is a responsible human being with a conscience. The second one does either out of ignorance or pure remedial malice.
argh I can’t set fingers to keyboard without a word wall, but anyway meant “irremedial malice” there at the end bah.
Lake Lady says:
13 September 2009 at 12:19 am
All of the rest of us!
Fortunately for all of the rest of us, all of the rest of us are still around and we outnumber the “hate anyone but me” types, though I prefer to call them by their given name, sociopaths.
amabomon, do you really think there is a benefit to point out crazies on the left? – do you really think I’m endorsing left wing fools? There is no reason to try to balance idiots on the left with idiots on the right. Just choose to improve the political discourse. This is crazy.
Lake lady, thank you.
good night all.
amabomon- u claim obama has a nazi like ciitizen miltia. then u go into stuff about jews and israel. u then swipe at me about being a jewish democrat. i dont see this as called for. your commentary threatens the decorum of this site.
u want a comment on obama’s nazi army? well there really is not response as that makes no sense. how familiar are you with nazism? i am. im so familiar that part of my family was murdered by the nazis- the real ones- back in europe. shot because they were jews. no other crimes. i know hundreds of survivors of the holocaust. they cry when they see these tebag rally guys. ive seen the tears and feelings of fear.
a man was murdered bc of freerepublic’s spawn at the u.s. holocaust museum. killed. freerepublic has been putting the word out for this thing for days and urging their commrades to go and recruit folks to hurt more people.
as for your clear remark that jewish democrats arent good pro israel supporters and the teabaggers are i have oh a few words. my whole family going back to fdr has voted dem. we are jews. we are democrats. we are as pro israel as u can get. pro israel to us means israel must be free and secure. the w bank and gaza must be returned to the palestinians and a state of their own must be formed with support of the intl community. the only way israel lives is if it leave its outposts in gaza and w bank. demographics tell the tale. so it is most pro israel to want to get out of outposts now.
are u new here? ive been comming here and posting since 2007.
I didn’t vote for President Obama in the primaries or the General election. I didn’t vote for President but voted Dem down ticket.
But once he won the election he was my President.
I have voiced enthusiactic support when he started out sounding good.
I have voiced resigned/cynical bummerness when he started being bipartisanman and caving to the repugnantklan.
But anyone who actually says and believes ANY of the lies and shithouseratcrazy stuff from the repugnantklan, and then comes HERE to babble them….well, maybe under Obamacare they will fund the meds you so obviously need.
“amabomon says:
12 September 2009 at 8:31 pm
autumnal says
12 September 2009 at 8:14 pm
Why do you have to lie about stuff? The march in Washington was not planned for a year. The 912 organization only came into being sometime around the end of March. You do the math.
And djjl, I am not a Republican. I will not become a Republican. My politics have changed this past year.”
That’s right, he/she/it’s waiting for the shithouseratcrazy party to form so he/she/it can become a charter member.
And by the way dipshit, when it comes to marches on Whashington the pathetic tens of thousands, the HIGH estimate is 70, of wackjobs who showed up to druel in public is close to a joke.
I haven’t been to a Proreproductive rights march YET that didn’t pull over 200,000.
thanks taylor for updating the article with the msnbc video. also, based on the way the park service estimates crowds and the video, it looks to have been at least 1.2 million.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-01-19-crowd_N.htm
of course, if this is not an accurate way to estimate crowdsize, then the numbers for obama’s inauguration are wrong too.
Google crowd estimates for 9/12 protest and the first hit sends you to the article that links you to the DC Fire Department estimate of 60 to 70 thousand.
autumnal says:
13 September 2009 at 1:17 am
Thank you! I can’t believe we’re even having this conversation.
Cleaning up the mess left by Bush and Co., and Obama is a Nazi?!
Get real.
secularhumanizinevoluter says:
13 September 2009 at 7:56 am
Let me hold up a mirror the next time you start to babble your BS.
Nice picture of rally size found here. Your dumbarse estimate of a couple of thousand people yesterday is what prompted me to write here in the first place.
Pictures for those who would like to see the real crowd yesterday.
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/side-by-side-photos-obamas-mojo-vs-americas-mojo-.html
Additionally, blind adherance to a political party is stupid, but to each their own.
texan4hillary says:
13 September 2009 at 2:45 am
Swipes? You sure are a sensitive one. Don’t let your vote get to you so much.
texan4hillary says:
13 September 2009 at 2:45 am
In rereading my post about Jewish American Democrats, I realized that I made it seem that I meant all Jewish American Democrats. Truthfully, I should have added the word “some” because that is what I was thinking when I typed that sentence. So, I apologize for that.
nomobama says:
13 September 2009 at 11:17 am
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You’ve been busted, thanks again for your concern (trolling)…subtlety is not your strong suit, the M.O. was easy to spot.
Oh, I’ve been busted! Good heavens!!!!
nomobama says:
13 September 2009 at 11:44 am
Ann is that you
Hey, feel free to continue your charade, you’ll get no sale from me.
For whatever reason, the link above needs to be cut and pasted to the address bar since it won’t open up here. The pictures on the right are from a Promise Keepers event in 1997. The upper right hand corner is a picture of the rally yesterday, although I don’t know if it was the beginning, middle, or end of the rally. Regardless, you can’t say truthfully that the number of people who turned out for the rally was insignificant. There’s also no telling how many people are under the trees since they have leaves on them. You can see the crowd pushing out of the mall into the area of the trees, though. It was a very large assemblage, and attempting to make it less is foolish.
Sandmann, give it up already. I’m a male. As for Ann, I am not sure who she is, although there used to be three or four of them that posted here in the past.
That is three or four “variations” of the name Ann, ie Ani, anniet, etc.
nomobama says:
13 September 2009 at 11:59 am
No Sale
As for the name sandmann, I haven’t seen that here until more recently.
Whatever. It just goes to show me that you really are delusional. Ask Betsy.
I don’t think anyone tried to make it less since the “couple thousand” comment. I find it sad that Glen Beck, Limbaugh can motivate that many – often clearly misinformed and ill willed people. The National Park Service stopped doing crown estimates in 1997 – they did do a crowd estimate about a weekk later for the Obama Innaugaural :
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-01-19-crowd_N.htm
“The U.S. National Park Service, threatened with a lawsuit over its crowd estimate for the Million Man March in 1995, stopped doing crowd projections as a matter of policy. But the agency changed its mind for the Obama inauguration, although it won’t release a figure until later in the week, according to USA Today.”
If you are saying that I am “Ann”, then I glad that there were others on here of similar opinions. There used to be many of them until Taylor flipped.
djjl says:
13 September 2009 at 12:04 pm
Honestly, the comments about people being misinformed, uneducated, racists, and whatever other strawmen that progessives have concerning anyone who opposes Obama do not help your cause.
Who are you, or anyone else for that matter, to “assume” that someone is misinformed. It’s a difference of opinion on health care. There are those who have read at least one version of his bill, who find it lacking, and in my opinion, they must be somewhat informed because at least they took the time to read it. I don’t fault you for believing what you want to believe about the Obamacare bill. It’s your right to draw your own conclusion about its content. Dismissing anyone who disagrees with you as being uninformed only reinforces the elitist image that many have of those in the Democratic party, to which I belong.
Sorry if that came across as an attack on you. It wasn’t meant to be, but it was meant to be an attack on the name calling that I’ve witnessed ever since I first supported Hillary Clinton’s bid for the presidency. The word bitter mean anything to anyone here? Funny how name calling can come back to bite you later, right Obama?
djjl says:
13 September 2009 at 12:04 pm
“I find it sad that Glen Beck, Limbaugh can motivate that many – often clearly misinformed and ill willed people”.
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IMO, I don’t think it was a matter of motivational powers, these folks were already sold on stupid…they just needed a media voice to help justify their wilful ignorance. Sad, yes – surprising, not so much.
I don’t dismiss anyone who disagrees with me. There isn’t a bill yet. When people reference death panels, communism, fascism, Marxism, etc in the same crowd – obviously are misinformed or just plain ignorant.
I can read the signs – and if there are racist comments on these sign or from their mouths, I reasonably believe they have racist notions.
The bill did not include coverage at tax payer expense for illegals -that was a lie then and now. The bill doesn’t have the government coming between patient and doctor – the insurance companies do that now. As do they tell you what doctors you can see under their coverage (my daughter just had her coverage of dentists lessened to 6 fro 50 plus – and no pediatric dentists). It is the out right lies and intentional distortions that lead me to ouse the terms ignorant and misinformed – I’d so those are politie terms under the circumstance.
djjl says:
13 September 2009 at 12:22 pm
Lie about illegals? I don’t think so. I need to find something that I read about that before I make anymore comments on it.
As for Obamacare, you don’t think that government is going to have a say in who you will be able to see, and when you will be able to see her?
Here’s a first hand account about the rally from someone that I know who attended the rally yesterday.
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It was awesome.
At 9:30, the DC police told us the count was at 1.2 million so far. At 11:30, they said they were pretty sure we hit close to 2 mill.
They stated as early as 7:30, they were turning buses away as there wasnt’ any room
Our buses were told this as well but they dropped us off blocks from where we were supposed to be dropped off. We weren’t going to get that far and quit.
There were still people coming even after it was over.
http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2009/09/conservative-woodstock-rocks-the-capital/
Pictures of the angry mob.
love the picture of protesters holding sign “Obama lied, freedom died!”
I really have no comment.
“As for Obamacare, you don’t think that government is going to have a say in who you will be able to see, and when you will be able to see her?”
Omgz! Sarah can I have your autograph?!
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amabomon says:
13 September 2009 at 12:12 pm
Honestly, the comments about people being misinformed, uneducated, racists, and whatever other strawmen that progessives have concerning anyone who opposes Obama do not help your cause.
Who are you, or anyone else for that matter, to “assume” that someone is misinformed. It’s a difference of opinion on health care.
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This is where I just stopped. Comments about people being misinformed are judgments, assessments, observations; they are not the setting up of strawmen. These judgments themselves may be mere opinion if they are under-informed or misinformed unless they have a foundation in reality, otherwise known as fact. If they are well informed opinion based upon fact then they are themselves no longer opinions. Statements based upon facts are themselves then …. facts.
Ugh facts. Oh and Strawmen too. After watching the charade, the diet of lies and the parade actual strawmen marshaled by Republicans especially during August you should know a strawman when you see one. Setting up a strawman is when you take elements (or rarely non-elements – harder to get away with that) of an opponents argument and restate them into something untrue, unrelated or non-existent in the argument to then be able to appear to be effectively attacking the argument.
Examples of the strawman fallacy are Death Panels, the Illegal Immigrant coverage or…..what you did in that first paragraph.
You’ve demonstrated that you know how to set up a strawman. That is a matter of fact. What can only be taken as a matter fo opinion for now is whether you know that you know how to set up a strawman or instead just do so unconsciously.
Statements of fact and assertions of opinion are not the same thing. If on a clear sunny day I ask “what color is the sky?” and I am told that it’s “grey” I know as a matter of fact that the person is wrong. To say that they are wrong is the stating of a “fact”. Additionally I know as a matter of fact that the person is one of at least three things, 1) is lying 2) is delusional 3) is color blind. If I were to pick one of those three options and say “You’re delusional” I would be expressing my opinion.
Sheez mariez.
diji u are of course right. i work with orgs on hcare every daily all day. i am in contact with the writers of the bill in the house. it does not cover illegals. baucus is writitng a provision to ensure the gop is placated. ss numbers iwll become natl id numbers. must rpove citizenship when u got to the dr. i think its all wrong. we will pay plenty for healthcare for illegals as we do now. wether its in the bill or not we will, as we always have, wind up taking care of them in the ers etc-which jacks up your taxes. until we get immigration reform this si the policy.
I’m so messy duoh!
amabomon says:
13 September 2009 at 12:12 pm
Who are you, or anyone else for that matter, to “assume” that someone is misinformed. It’s a difference of opinion on health care.
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Who? Thinking rational agents. People who know the difference between fact and opinion. People who look FOR the facts and then when finding them recognize their facticity. People who accept, however inconvenient, the facts; who know they can’t agree to disagree on the fact of a fact. People who know the difference between fact and opinion. blah blah blah blah blah.
sandmann you probably aren’t here right now but amabomon isn’t Ann he’s nomobama who was banned from this site awhile back, so he changed his username to get back in and be as obnoxious as he was before only this time he’s watching his language.
amabomon says:
13 September 2009 at 2:07 pm
djjl says:
13 September 2009 at 12:22 pm
Lie about illegals? I don’t think so. I need to find something that I read about that before I make anymore comments on it.
As for Obamacare, you don’t think that government is going to have a say in who you will be able to see, and when you will be able to see her?
Yes he did lie. He knows he lied. He’s a liar. He’s also a sorry excuse as a representative of the American people. IMO.
It is difficult to understand why you would be posting as if you are informed when you don’t know something as elementary as that point. There is nothing in the new proposal that provides tax payer dollars for illegals . Maybe you and Mr Wilson want to twist the the 1986 law passed by Congress that requiuired ER’s to provide emergency treatment to all -here’s the link:
http://www.cms.hhs.gov/emtala/
That 23 year old provision has nothing to do with current legislative proposals. You shouldn’t need to go look that up.
As for “Obamacare” (is that supposed to be a disdainfull appellation like “HillaryCare?) on what do you base your suggestion that the government would interfere with my choice of physicians the way the insurance companies have for all my life. Hell, the health insurance companies at one time would tell employers that they couldn’t hire someone with a “pre-existing condition.” – if you weren’t insurable under the terms of their contracts – you weren’t “employable.”
You know, maybe the Republicans will get some of their way and we will need to sort of start over on health care reform – if that’s the case, I think there will be a huge effort to go to single payer. I
know I’ve come to recognize that that is the way to go.
Betsy says:
13 September 2009 at 4:31 pm
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Hey Betsy, I know nomobama isn’t Ann, I was being snarky.
I spotted the not-so-clever name reversal instantly along with the generic concern troll modus operandi revealed in his posts. He’s trying to use the ol’ divide and conquer scheme by attempting to paint you and I as “delusional” outsiders while appealing to others here as rational core members “real Marshians” (sound familiar??!!)
The good news is…nobody’s taking the bait. No sale.
BTW, if 1986 law has DeMint, Wilson’s etc panties in a wad – they need to stop and think that it was Ronnie “St” Reagan who signed it into law.
I consider Nate Silver to be the go to guy on numbers. He makes some other interesting points on the anger in the crowds.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/09/size-matters-so-do-lies.html
Betsy says:
13 September 2009 at 4:31 pm
No Betsy, I think you’ve got that covered pretty good here.
texan4hillary says:
13 September 2009 at 3:14 pm
Glad you mentioned immigration reform.
This is my guess about what will happen with that. Give Obama maybe a year or two, and amnesty will be granted to the 11 million plus illegal aliens in this country. Presto! Now their covered.
Lake Lady
Thanks for Nate Silver’s post/
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/09/912_demonstration_a_record_dc.html
Despite mainstream media attempts to characterize turnout as in the thousands, a spokesman for the National Park Service, Dan Bana, is quoted as saying “It is a record…. We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever.”
Oy!
amabomon
Your focus seems to be all about Obama. I think it should be about our country and not the personality who is president now. It seems that you aren’t pleading for what’s best for our country but what it worst for Obama. Why?
Oh, yeah, those crowds were soooo angry, weren’t they? I’ve seen at least a dozen different videos of them, and they were just frightening! Good grief.
Check my link above for an after shot of both the 9/12 event yesterday, and the Obama inauguration. It’s a striking contrast.
amabomon
The National PArk Service has given no figures – and haven’t for years – except for Obama’s inaugural. It’s not hard to check. Try checking for the name you posted. You’ll find it nowhere other than AmericanThinker. Wonder why that would be – second time in 24 hours.
djjl says:
13 September 2009 at 9:35 pm
It’s interesting how you can disassociate Obama and the country in the same sentence.
You are correct. It is about the country. Obama’s vision seems to be one of a vast expansion in government. If you haven’t noticed that already, then it’s not worth discussing. Personally, I think the government is BIG enough. I would like to see it curtailed, not expanded.
djjl says:
13 September 2009 at 9:39 pm
I know. I’ve read what you have obviously read yourself. But, I provided a link with something that seems like you did not read. The police in DC will still try to determine the size of an event, but it is not for public information per se, although they went against their own rules with Obama’s inauguration. Funny how people can accept the Obama figure, but won’t accept the a comment that was made by a spokesman for the National Park Service.
David Barna, a Park Service spokesman, said the agency did not conduct its own count. Instead, it will use a Washington Post account that said 1.8 million people gathered on the US Capitol grounds, National Mall, and parade route.
“It is a record,” Barna said. “We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever.”
The Post reported the figure yesterday, citing an unidentified senior security official, who had access to estimates from many agencies. The Post also used satellite images, square footage, and crowd density formulas.
I’m now done with this issue because there’s nothing else to say about it.
Hey amabomon is this yours on photobucket?
http://s810.photobucket.com/albums/zz24/NoMoBama/
Obama is not the country but he is the President the majority of people chose to be president. There seems to be a lot of folks who want to delegitimize that. The Republicans tried to do that with Bill Clinton. I’m tired of the waste and abuse of the people in this country. What needs to be curtailed is not the government – it is corporate rampant greed. This is a peculiarly disgusting position – government is not the enemy – it is rampant greed and willful ignorance that is the enemy. I’ve been long done with Reaganism. I don’t think preaching government is bad will catch hold here.
djjl says:
13 September 2009 at 9:39 pm
Was that good enough for you… the Washington Post account? As far as where information is obtained, as long as it doesn’t appear to be slanted (like the purposely low 60k or 70k figure that many news outlets went with yesterday, or the “thousands” as opposed to the actual “hundreds of thousands”), then I’ll use it as supporting information.
djjl says:
13 September 2009 at 9:48 pm
You’re absolutely correct. It will never take hold on a website that promotes expansive government.
Government is in bed with corporate America. I’m surprised that you would write that one side is better than the other. Neither side is exemplary in my opinion.
Hey Betsy, I’m not even going to waste my time.
amabomon says:
13 September 2009 at 9:45 pm
You may be done with it – but that is willful ignorance. Google you comments of Barna and you’ll see tht they reference the Obama Inaugural:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2009/01/22/inaugural_crowd_size_reportedly_dc_record/
Inaugural crowd size reportedly D.C. record
January 22, 2009
• WASHINGTON – The National Park Service says it will rely on a media report that says
David Barna, a Park Service spokesman, said the agency did not conduct its own count. Instead, it will use a Washington Post account that said 1.8 million people gathered on the US Capitol grounds, National Mall, and parade route.
“It is a record,” Barna said. “We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever.”’
I’m not beholden to Reaganomics nor am I beholden to whatever you want to call the current Democratic party’s economic plan. I know what I believe it is, but I won’t write that here.
I didn’t vote for Reagan, but I have more respect for him today than I ever did. It was not a saint by any means. My favorite president was Bill Clinton, who wasn’t a saint either. I now differ with Bill on issues that I thought I once supported.
“He” was not a saint.
I didn’t say you voted for Reagan or that you termed him a Saint. I agree, he was most definitely not – and neither is Obama.
djjl says:
13 September 2009 at 9:56 pm
amabomon says:
13 September 2009 at 9:45 pm
You may be done with it – but that is willful ignorance. Google you comments of Barna and you’ll see tht they reference the Obama Inaugural:
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Djjl – it’s even easier than that. Just click on the link in the Am Thinker article that NoMObama wants us to go to and it shows the Boston.com article that you found.
Thanks maxadog. This is really sad.
djjl says:
13 September 2009 at 9:56 pm
You are correct on that. My apologies for reading an article from today that quoted an article from January.
I just think you should be disgusted at being intentionally mislead. why do you thik that site would use lies instead of the truth?
‘September 13, 2009
9/12 demonstration a record DC turnout: National Park Service
Thomas Lifson
The truth will out. Despite mainstream media attempts to characterize turnout as in the thousands, a spokesman for the National Park Service, Dan Bana, is quoted as saying “It is a record…. We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever.”
Democrats and their media acolytes may wish this weren’t so, and they may even employ the Ostrich Strategy, burying their collective heads in the sand, pretending that a major important political movement isn’t happening. But they only hasten their own demise in doing so.’
Gotta gto for awhile.
djjl says:
13 September 2009 at 10:08 pm
I wasn’t intentionally mislead. I should have noticed something with the date, but I didn’t. For all we know, the American Thinker linked to the wrong article. You picked up on the date. I would have eventually noticed it myself if I had gone back to the article. I doubt very much that the writer would have tried to pull one over someone when the information can be seen in the article that he linked.
No I didn’t pick up on the date – I’ve already learned to distrust the site – so I googled – I’ll look for the date first in the future.
Besides, how does one mistake an article talking about the Obama inaugural crowd – especially when one doesn’t like Obama – with a gathering 8-9 months later. If one is that intellectually sloppy, I don’t think I’d believe anything there.
Now, gotta go.
BTW, I’m not blaming you – I think you are being mislead. More critical reading skills required.
djjl says:
13 September 2009 at 10:35 pm
Wow, definitely noticing an elitist attitude emanating from you here. May I suggest the same for you concerning critical reading skills? Intellectually sloppy? EXCUSE ME! Simple oversight on my part. Maybe you should apply the same perfection standards to Obama, or even Taylor for that matter when she disputed the published picture that showed a flag that was flying at half mast? I suspect that comment may eventually come back to bite you where the sun doesn’t shine.
It ain’t going to bite me. I wasn’t invested in that comment one way or the other. I just can’t imagine how you would think that the purpose of that AmericanThinker post was somehow overlooked. BTW, read it again, I wasn’t suggesting YOU were intellectually sloppy – I wasd suggesting American Thinker was. They were either incredibly sloppy or intended to mislead. IMO.
BTW – no elitist attitude – I can read.
You don’t see any attitude coming from me toward you that you won’t see from me toward any suffering from Obamaphilia.
Some of the most pro-Israel support seems to come from Republicans, and Christian conservatives, of which I’m neither. Is there a disconnect between American and Israeli Jews, and if so why? Is it Obama’s policies in relationship to the state of Israel?
Bill Maher: Why Do Christian Conservatives Love Israel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPWIibPNAAI
Just as any fyi, Betsy, we don’t only go by username around here to track commenters, etc. As I’ve said before, as long as people are not profane they are welcome.
… Taylor for that matter when she disputed the published picture that showed a flag that was flying at half mast?
It was correct to question Ms. Malkin on that shot, because her facts are often wrong on issues. Especially since the flags were not flying at half staff according to the traffic cam. Even JW Marriott said the flag had been raised. The location of the shot was also peculiar. So questioning is appropriate. At the same time I also offered a VERIFIED photo from Mary Katharine Ham that showed a very large crowd, which gave better evidence of the expanse of the protesters. This is called intending to get the story correct, something Malkin and her ilk never try to do.