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		<title>By: The Right To Bear Arms &#187; To Silence Those They Don&#8217;t Like</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Right To Bear Arms &#187; To Silence Those They Don&#8217;t Like</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: secularhumanizinevoluter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for a 100% enforcement of existing gun laws along with a mandatory reporting to a central location any and all criminal and mental records relavent to gun ownership.
I can kill you just as dead with my black powder navy Colt and because it&#039;s a kit it dosen&#039;t even come under the jurisdiction or control of &quot;Gun Laws&quot;
When I was younger and crazyer I was a full fledged &quot;gun nut&quot; and had axcess to ALL maner of fire arms and ordinance. If you want it, it&#039;s out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for a 100% enforcement of existing gun laws along with a mandatory reporting to a central location any and all criminal and mental records relavent to gun ownership.<br />
I can kill you just as dead with my black powder navy Colt and because it&#8217;s a kit it dosen&#8217;t even come under the jurisdiction or control of &#8220;Gun Laws&#8221;<br />
When I was younger and crazyer I was a full fledged &#8220;gun nut&#8221; and had axcess to ALL maner of fire arms and ordinance. If you want it, it&#8217;s out there.</p>
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		<title>By: secularhumanizinevoluter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Taylor Marsh says: 
05 April 2009 at 10:11 am
You brought up Rawanda, secularh, and the continent of Africa where children are indeed involved in the genocide.&quot;

Ms. Marsh, I lovez ya, ya knowz dat. But I am in a smiling (if it&#039;s possible to smile over this sort of thing)state of amazement. Rawanda was an attempted Genocide against the minority Tutsi population by the majority Hutu population instigated and fueled by radio broadcasts exhorting the Hutus to &quot;exterminate the cockroaches&quot; etc. etc. 
Straight up politicol leader instigated Genocude. 
The Child soldiers are more Sudan and Somalia and the Congo. Also Uganda. I never referanced them, reprehensable as the military, or gun thugs, may be it&#039;s murder and not Genocide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Taylor Marsh says:<br />
05 April 2009 at 10:11 am<br />
You brought up Rawanda, secularh, and the continent of Africa where children are indeed involved in the genocide.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ms. Marsh, I lovez ya, ya knowz dat. But I am in a smiling (if it&#8217;s possible to smile over this sort of thing)state of amazement. Rawanda was an attempted Genocide against the minority Tutsi population by the majority Hutu population instigated and fueled by radio broadcasts exhorting the Hutus to &#8220;exterminate the cockroaches&#8221; etc. etc.<br />
Straight up politicol leader instigated Genocude.<br />
The Child soldiers are more Sudan and Somalia and the Congo. Also Uganda. I never referanced them, reprehensable as the military, or gun thugs, may be it&#8217;s murder and not Genocide.</p>
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		<title>By: ogenec</title>
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		<dc:creator>ogenec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taylor Marsh says:
05 April 2009 at 8:59 pm

I addressed the futility argument quite well, methinks.  To use my analogy about speeding, people still speed regardless of speed limits.  And ingest drugs, regardless of their prohibition.  Same with prostitution.

Guns are no different than speeding, drugs, or prostitution.  There will never be 100% compliance.  But, at the margin, proscribing these activities means that some people don&#039;t engage in them.  All else equal, that in turn means some people are spared loss of life and limb as a result.  And that&#039;s a good thing.  Only hard core libertarians think otherwise, like the folks at Reason.  And they&#039;re just Ayn Rand nuts.

The &quot;sanctimonious&quot; charge was not based on your views, which I respect, but on your telling me very snidely to &quot;do a bit of studying.&quot;  In case you hadn&#039;t realized,  I&#039;ve studied quite a bit.  And I&#039;m studied by nature :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taylor Marsh says:<br />
05 April 2009 at 8:59 pm</p>
<p>I addressed the futility argument quite well, methinks.  To use my analogy about speeding, people still speed regardless of speed limits.  And ingest drugs, regardless of their prohibition.  Same with prostitution.</p>
<p>Guns are no different than speeding, drugs, or prostitution.  There will never be 100% compliance.  But, at the margin, proscribing these activities means that some people don&#8217;t engage in them.  All else equal, that in turn means some people are spared loss of life and limb as a result.  And that&#8217;s a good thing.  Only hard core libertarians think otherwise, like the folks at Reason.  And they&#8217;re just Ayn Rand nuts.</p>
<p>The &#8220;sanctimonious&#8221; charge was not based on your views, which I respect, but on your telling me very snidely to &#8220;do a bit of studying.&#8221;  In case you hadn&#8217;t realized,  I&#8217;ve studied quite a bit.  And I&#8217;m studied by nature <img src='http://www.taylormarsh.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Taylor Marsh</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 00:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ogenec says:
05 April 2009 at 10:58 am

chazmonk says:
05 April 2009 at 1:34 pm

People still don&#039;t get and won&#039;t address that &quot;banning&quot; assault weapons won&#039;t actually ban anything fully. Call it &quot;sanctimony&quot; if you want, change the subject, say I&#039;m wrong it you like, but it&#039;s a fact. 

People driving cars, driving while drunk also kill. Liquor kills. Tobacco kills. The list is endless. 

We also have a lot of very good gun laws, but we also need a database, and to use our technology better as well, and that&#039;s just for starters.  We are not members of the NRA because they&#039;re extreme, as well as part of the problem, because they stand in the way of common sense transparency on guns. That&#039;s where people should focus as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ogenec says:<br />
05 April 2009 at 10:58 am</p>
<p>chazmonk says:<br />
05 April 2009 at 1:34 pm</p>
<p>People still don&#8217;t get and won&#8217;t address that &#8220;banning&#8221; assault weapons won&#8217;t actually ban anything fully. Call it &#8220;sanctimony&#8221; if you want, change the subject, say I&#8217;m wrong it you like, but it&#8217;s a fact. </p>
<p>People driving cars, driving while drunk also kill. Liquor kills. Tobacco kills. The list is endless. </p>
<p>We also have a lot of very good gun laws, but we also need a database, and to use our technology better as well, and that&#8217;s just for starters.  We are not members of the NRA because they&#8217;re extreme, as well as part of the problem, because they stand in the way of common sense transparency on guns. That&#8217;s where people should focus as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Hot News &#187; Richard Poplawski</title>
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		<title>By: Leftwing Bloggers Blame Glenn Beck for Pittsburgh Cop Killings</title>
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		<title>By: Leftwing Bloggers Blame Glenn Beck for Pittsburgh Cop Killings</title>
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		<title>By: Audiegrl</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was the family of one of these officers, I would be asking some serious questions on air from the networks that allow Lou Dobbs(CNN), Hannity, Beck(Fox), et al, spout their poison on air everyday.  This is like a dog whistle to people with mental issues already.  I would also be asking the members of congress and the senate how long they are going to allow people like Michelle Bachman and Diaper Dave Vitter to encourage people to revolution and tea parties.  Somebody has got to say enough is enough.  

I can find no better person to ask the question, than a family member who has lost someone dear to them, because of this craziness.  Just as John Walsh and other have done, they can turn their personal tragedy into something that will do good for the country and stop this from happening in the future.

I am all for free speech, but when you are inciting people to violence that must be considered a crime and a menace to our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was the family of one of these officers, I would be asking some serious questions on air from the networks that allow Lou Dobbs(CNN), Hannity, Beck(Fox), et al, spout their poison on air everyday.  This is like a dog whistle to people with mental issues already.  I would also be asking the members of congress and the senate how long they are going to allow people like Michelle Bachman and Diaper Dave Vitter to encourage people to revolution and tea parties.  Somebody has got to say enough is enough.  </p>
<p>I can find no better person to ask the question, than a family member who has lost someone dear to them, because of this craziness.  Just as John Walsh and other have done, they can turn their personal tragedy into something that will do good for the country and stop this from happening in the future.</p>
<p>I am all for free speech, but when you are inciting people to violence that must be considered a crime and a menace to our society.</p>
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		<title>By: vintagejulie</title>
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		<description>I wonder if we will hear any stories in the MSM of the culpability of folks like Beck and Bachman and Bill&#039;O and Rush in these crimes? 

The guy in Tenn killed all of those people because they were &quot;liberal&quot; and instead of the field day the press would have had if the dude had had Al franken&#039;s books in his car there was not much after the 1st few days. 
No one in the MSM called out the purveyors of this BS hate speech. We have free speech, but you are also accountable for your words.
Now we have a cop killer who truly belived the BS the NRA and the gun makers have been spreading since Obama was elected and this may have played into his delusions.
I want these groups, these purveyors of hate shamed on national TV. I want them to have to do interview after interview explaining why none of this has anything to do with them. This shit has got to stop...on both sides.

Of course &quot;law abiding citizens&quot; should have a right to own guns, the only problem is that you never know when one of those &quot;law abiding citizens&quot; just might snap and use their legally obtained weapon to take out a few of their neighbors.

Here is Arkansas there was a big stink because the weekly newspaper had a link, on their website, to the public record of who has a conceal and carry permit.
Jesus, you would think the man had accused them all of being puppy killers. The stink that was raised, the death threats that were made and yes, even the legislature had to get involved. I think I have a right to know if my crazy neighbor has a gun. This week a bill was brought up to &quot;protect the right to hunting&quot; here. Nuts...they are NUTS.

and in the end, i give you Eddie Izzard on &quot;People kill people&quot;:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsN0FCXw914</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if we will hear any stories in the MSM of the culpability of folks like Beck and Bachman and Bill&#8217;O and Rush in these crimes? </p>
<p>The guy in Tenn killed all of those people because they were &#8220;liberal&#8221; and instead of the field day the press would have had if the dude had had Al franken&#8217;s books in his car there was not much after the 1st few days.<br />
No one in the MSM called out the purveyors of this BS hate speech. We have free speech, but you are also accountable for your words.<br />
Now we have a cop killer who truly belived the BS the NRA and the gun makers have been spreading since Obama was elected and this may have played into his delusions.<br />
I want these groups, these purveyors of hate shamed on national TV. I want them to have to do interview after interview explaining why none of this has anything to do with them. This shit has got to stop&#8230;on both sides.</p>
<p>Of course &#8220;law abiding citizens&#8221; should have a right to own guns, the only problem is that you never know when one of those &#8220;law abiding citizens&#8221; just might snap and use their legally obtained weapon to take out a few of their neighbors.</p>
<p>Here is Arkansas there was a big stink because the weekly newspaper had a link, on their website, to the public record of who has a conceal and carry permit.<br />
Jesus, you would think the man had accused them all of being puppy killers. The stink that was raised, the death threats that were made and yes, even the legislature had to get involved. I think I have a right to know if my crazy neighbor has a gun. This week a bill was brought up to &#8220;protect the right to hunting&#8221; here. Nuts&#8230;they are NUTS.</p>
<p>and in the end, i give you Eddie Izzard on &#8220;People kill people&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsN0FCXw914" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsN0FCXw914</a></p>
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		<title>By: JoeCHI</title>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Prayers go out to the families of the slain Pittsburgh officers and the larger police family there, all of whom are grieving.&lt;/i&gt;

Remember the family and friends of Poplawski, too.  In addition to their grief, they must also contend with the shame and responsibility they must feel for the actions of a very sick man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Prayers go out to the families of the slain Pittsburgh officers and the larger police family there, all of whom are grieving.</i></p>
<p>Remember the family and friends of Poplawski, too.  In addition to their grief, they must also contend with the shame and responsibility they must feel for the actions of a very sick man.</p>
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		<title>By: chazmonk</title>
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		<description>Ahhh, the old &quot;guns don&#039;t kill people, people kill people&quot; argment.  Give me a break.  Look at all the shootings of the last 2 weeks.  These people don&#039;t have guns, guess what, chances are these violent acts don&#039;t happen.  I didn&#039;t hear of them stabbing someone to death.  Without the idiocy of the gun culture in this country, and that includes you Taylor, many, many crimes and deaths would not occur, and that includes policeman being gunned down.

I never read a story about some &quot;law abiding citizen&quot; getting the chance to protect themselves.  99% of these stories is someone using the guns to kill innocent people.  Guns should be banned, period, unless you hunt or are law enforcement.  And this is coming from someone whose entire family are NRA members.  Guns kill people because they give them the feeling of power they normally would not have, not to mention the opportunity from a distance they normally would not take otherwise.

You are wrong Taylor and the NRA is wrong.  Guns kill people every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, the old &#8220;guns don&#8217;t kill people, people kill people&#8221; argment.  Give me a break.  Look at all the shootings of the last 2 weeks.  These people don&#8217;t have guns, guess what, chances are these violent acts don&#8217;t happen.  I didn&#8217;t hear of them stabbing someone to death.  Without the idiocy of the gun culture in this country, and that includes you Taylor, many, many crimes and deaths would not occur, and that includes policeman being gunned down.</p>
<p>I never read a story about some &#8220;law abiding citizen&#8221; getting the chance to protect themselves.  99% of these stories is someone using the guns to kill innocent people.  Guns should be banned, period, unless you hunt or are law enforcement.  And this is coming from someone whose entire family are NRA members.  Guns kill people because they give them the feeling of power they normally would not have, not to mention the opportunity from a distance they normally would not take otherwise.</p>
<p>You are wrong Taylor and the NRA is wrong.  Guns kill people every day.</p>
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