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		<title>By: texan4hillary</title>
		<link>http://www.taylormarsh.com/2009/02/04/from-spending-bill-to-splat/comment-page-1/#comment-427984</link>
		<dc:creator>texan4hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im glad speaker pelosi gets it-we won the repubs lost. so yeah tere is money needed for hiv prevention and pell grants but u know what-the gop lost. the gop funded the iraq wr. destroyed the remains of the great society.obama has defended today the house bill. he said this morning i won. the gop wont cooperate. why co-opt this package with tax cuts to begin is fuming. a real bill would be a trillion on jbs for all ameicans. as the nyt op ed says today-the obama team admits this and we will need another very soon. madisonian govt i hope is returnng. congress must be assertive. we have no kings.if obama wants something then he must consult congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im glad speaker pelosi gets it-we won the repubs lost. so yeah tere is money needed for hiv prevention and pell grants but u know what-the gop lost. the gop funded the iraq wr. destroyed the remains of the great society.obama has defended today the house bill. he said this morning i won. the gop wont cooperate. why co-opt this package with tax cuts to begin is fuming. a real bill would be a trillion on jbs for all ameicans. as the nyt op ed says today-the obama team admits this and we will need another very soon. madisonian govt i hope is returnng. congress must be assertive. we have no kings.if obama wants something then he must consult congress.</p>
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		<title>By: ogenec</title>
		<link>http://www.taylormarsh.com/2009/02/04/from-spending-bill-to-splat/comment-page-1/#comment-427942</link>
		<dc:creator>ogenec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GeoT says: 
04 February 2009 at 12:11 pm

they have no intention of participating in “governing in a sensible, non-ideological way.” So you’ve got one hand clapping…

GeoT and JA, I agree that some -- maybe even many -- Republicans have no intention of working with us.  But if you read the WaPost story I linked to, it&#039;s clear that some do.  Olympia Snowe for one.  I think McCain can also be brought over.  Maybe even Tom Coburn!  Same goes for moderate Democrats, who also are queasy about this bill.  Every dollar we spend now will have to be financed.  So it&#039;s imperative we spent $$ only on things that stimulate the economy, and the quicker the better.  Otherwise, we are just borrowing from Peter to pay Paul.

LL, I agree that at the margin, some of the things I mentioned are stimulative.  The Senate should definitely debate those.  But many of them are not, and they need to be axed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GeoT says:<br />
04 February 2009 at 12:11 pm</p>
<p>they have no intention of participating in “governing in a sensible, non-ideological way.” So you’ve got one hand clapping…</p>
<p>GeoT and JA, I agree that some &#8212; maybe even many &#8212; Republicans have no intention of working with us.  But if you read the WaPost story I linked to, it&#8217;s clear that some do.  Olympia Snowe for one.  I think McCain can also be brought over.  Maybe even Tom Coburn!  Same goes for moderate Democrats, who also are queasy about this bill.  Every dollar we spend now will have to be financed.  So it&#8217;s imperative we spent $$ only on things that stimulate the economy, and the quicker the better.  Otherwise, we are just borrowing from Peter to pay Paul.</p>
<p>LL, I agree that at the margin, some of the things I mentioned are stimulative.  The Senate should definitely debate those.  But many of them are not, and they need to be axed.</p>
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		<title>By: GeoT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ogenec says:
04 February 2009 at 11:58 am

So this is not about Democrats versus Republicans, or whether Obama has the balls to steamroll opponents. It is about his promise to govern in a sensible, non-ideological way. Americans are holding him to that promise, and properly so
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The first thing Michael Steele did was position the Republicans in an adversarial posture:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/04/us/politics/03web-nagourney.html?_r=3

they have no intention of participating in &quot;governing in a sensible, non-ideological way.&quot; So you&#039;ve got one hand clapping...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ogenec says:<br />
04 February 2009 at 11:58 am</p>
<p>So this is not about Democrats versus Republicans, or whether Obama has the balls to steamroll opponents. It is about his promise to govern in a sensible, non-ideological way. Americans are holding him to that promise, and properly so<br />
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<p>The first thing Michael Steele did was position the Republicans in an adversarial posture:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/04/us/politics/03web-nagourney.html?_r=3" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/04/us/politics/03web-nagourney.html?_r=3</a></p>
<p>they have no intention of participating in &#8220;governing in a sensible, non-ideological way.&#8221; So you&#8217;ve got one hand clapping&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Afternoon, folks. New thread...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Afternoon, folks. New thread&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lake Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lake Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got my first communication from McCaskill since working on her campaign. Patting herself on the back for her recent comments...and...oh yeah ...asking for a contribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got my first communication from McCaskill since working on her campaign. Patting herself on the back for her recent comments&#8230;and&#8230;oh yeah &#8230;asking for a contribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Austen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Austen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this is not about Democrats versus Republicans, or whether Obama has the balls to steamroll opponents. It is about his promise to govern in a sensible, non-ideological way. Americans are holding him to that promise, and properly so.

ogenec - I might agree with you if the Repubs weren&#039;t going to stick to their ideology.  They will and there are Repubs up here who are absolutely gleeful about the negative comments about the stim package and actually hoping as Rush does, that Obama fails.  They do not want change.  They want the status quo and that means playing to the money interests.  Obama may want smart, non-ideological and sensible governing but the majority of Repubs are not about to let that happen.  They&#039;d rather throw out the baby with the bath water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is not about Democrats versus Republicans, or whether Obama has the balls to steamroll opponents. It is about his promise to govern in a sensible, non-ideological way. Americans are holding him to that promise, and properly so.</p>
<p>ogenec &#8211; I might agree with you if the Repubs weren&#8217;t going to stick to their ideology.  They will and there are Repubs up here who are absolutely gleeful about the negative comments about the stim package and actually hoping as Rush does, that Obama fails.  They do not want change.  They want the status quo and that means playing to the money interests.  Obama may want smart, non-ideological and sensible governing but the majority of Repubs are not about to let that happen.  They&#8217;d rather throw out the baby with the bath water.</p>
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		<title>By: GeoT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lake Lady says:
04 February 2009 at 11:57 am

Thanks Geo…you understand I need instructions step by step:)
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also: you need to use the same email address as you use on blog sites for the avatars to work.</description>
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04 February 2009 at 11:57 am</p>
<p>Thanks Geo…you understand I need instructions step by step:)<br />
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<p>also: you need to use the same email address as you use on blog sites for the avatars to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Lake Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lake Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Ogenic....however, increasing wildlife management would mean hiring more people to do it, and upgrading computers would sell computers,keeping people employed. Not all of the out of work are construction workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Ogenic&#8230;.however, increasing wildlife management would mean hiring more people to do it, and upgrading computers would sell computers,keeping people employed. Not all of the out of work are construction workers.</p>
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		<title>By: ogenec</title>
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		<dc:creator>ogenec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama promised us not small government, not big government, but smart government.  Obama&#039;s actions need to match the strength of his rhetoric.  Which means that this bill should not pass until the fat is trimmed from it.

Obama&#039;s biggest problem in the Senate is not Republicans, it&#039;s his fellow Democrats: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/03/AR2009020304024.html?hpid=topnews

What do these things have to do with stimulus: $1.1 billion for comparative medical research, $350 million for Agriculture Department computers, $75 million to discourage smoking, $20 million in Interior Department funding, $400 million for HIV screening and $650 million for wildlife management?  The answer is: NOTHING.

I did not expect much restraint from Congressional Democrats.  But as Washington said, the senate is the saucer to the House&#039;s cup: we pour legislation into the senatorial saucer to cool it.  The Senate will cut a lot of this non-stimulus spending out, boost infrastructure spending, and the resulting bill will pass both houses with wide margins.

So this is not about Democrats versus Republicans, or whether Obama has the balls to steamroll opponents.  It is about his promise to govern in a sensible, non-ideological way.  Americans are holding him to that promise, and properly so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama promised us not small government, not big government, but smart government.  Obama&#8217;s actions need to match the strength of his rhetoric.  Which means that this bill should not pass until the fat is trimmed from it.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s biggest problem in the Senate is not Republicans, it&#8217;s his fellow Democrats: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/03/AR2009020304024.html?hpid=topnews" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/03/AR2009020304024.html?hpid=topnews</a></p>
<p>What do these things have to do with stimulus: $1.1 billion for comparative medical research, $350 million for Agriculture Department computers, $75 million to discourage smoking, $20 million in Interior Department funding, $400 million for HIV screening and $650 million for wildlife management?  The answer is: NOTHING.</p>
<p>I did not expect much restraint from Congressional Democrats.  But as Washington said, the senate is the saucer to the House&#8217;s cup: we pour legislation into the senatorial saucer to cool it.  The Senate will cut a lot of this non-stimulus spending out, boost infrastructure spending, and the resulting bill will pass both houses with wide margins.</p>
<p>So this is not about Democrats versus Republicans, or whether Obama has the balls to steamroll opponents.  It is about his promise to govern in a sensible, non-ideological way.  Americans are holding him to that promise, and properly so.</p>
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		<title>By: Lake Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lake Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Geo...you understand I need instructions step by step:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Geo&#8230;you understand I need instructions step by step:)</p>
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		<title>By: GeoT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lake Lady says:
04 February 2009 at 11:46 am


I signed up at wordpress now how do I do gravatar? Google it?
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sign-in @ wordpress.com go to &quot;my account&quot; (upper left) and select &quot;edit profile&quot; &quot;Gravatar&quot; box is upper right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lake Lady says:<br />
04 February 2009 at 11:46 am</p>
<p>I signed up at wordpress now how do I do gravatar? Google it?<br />
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<p>sign-in @ wordpress.com go to &#8220;my account&#8221; (upper left) and select &#8220;edit profile&#8221; &#8220;Gravatar&#8221; box is upper right</p>
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		<title>By: kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LL - and angelachel was right on.

Sometimes I think we&#039;d be better off with a Repub congress and Obama as President. It might be easier to compromise and get things done. Look what happened when Clinton faced a Republican congress. They did get things done and we were all in pretty damn good shape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LL &#8211; and angelachel was right on.</p>
<p>Sometimes I think we&#8217;d be better off with a Repub congress and Obama as President. It might be easier to compromise and get things done. Look what happened when Clinton faced a Republican congress. They did get things done and we were all in pretty damn good shape.</p>
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		<title>By: Lake Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lake Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Pajama Media just go belly up?</description>
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		<title>By: Lake Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lake Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane, Angelachel wrote about that during the primary. Her argument was that Hillary understood the use of power better.She has not been writing for awhile but it is probably still in her archives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, Angelachel wrote about that during the primary. Her argument was that Hillary understood the use of power better.She has not been writing for awhile but it is probably still in her archives.</p>
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		<title>By: GeoT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GeoT - what worries me is that Obama is more in tune to persuasion rather than strong arming and I wonder if he has that ability. ----- Like I said - we need to take this country back for us. As Taylor’s banner says - “We the people.
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Time will tell on his ability to be more agressive, and I&#039;m hoping in the meantime Rahm is kicking some butt in the background. Obama needs to get his act together but Democrats in general need to decide a direction and go full steam ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GeoT &#8211; what worries me is that Obama is more in tune to persuasion rather than strong arming and I wonder if he has that ability. &#8212;&#8211; Like I said &#8211; we need to take this country back for us. As Taylor’s banner says &#8211; “We the people.<br />
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<p>Time will tell on his ability to be more agressive, and I&#8217;m hoping in the meantime Rahm is kicking some butt in the background. Obama needs to get his act together but Democrats in general need to decide a direction and go full steam ahead.</p>
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