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Florida and Michigan Count



A prominent civil rights leader has told the Democratic National Committee
that refusing to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan would disenfranchise
both states’ minority communities.

In a Feb. 8 letter to DNC Chairman Howard Dean, NAACP chairman Julian Bond
expressed “great concern at the prospect that million of voters in Michigan
and Florida could ultimately have their votes completely discounted.”
Refusing to seat the states’ delegations could remind voters of the “sordid
history of racially discriminatory primaries,” he said. … ..

NAACP
head calls on Democrats to seat Florida, Michigan delegates

Obama, Edwards, Richardson and the other Democratic candidates had a choice
on Michigan. To stay on the ballot or to remove their names. They chose to remove
their names. Clinton did not. Of course, the others were also sucking up to
Iowa and New Hampshire, so they have to live with the results, especially since
they were trying to sand bag Clinton in the process. Clinton has been allotted
73 pledged delegates
, with 55 Michigan delegates remaining uncommitted.
Arguments will be made that there should be another vote in Michigan because
Obama wasn’t on the ballot. He shouldn’t get a do over because he made a bad play.
Or because he overplayed his hand by asking his people to vote “uncommitted,”
to show that Clinton couldn’t get some voters who would rather vote “uncommitted” than
voter for her. Some say Obama should get those “uncommitted” Michigan voters. If
he wanted them he should have kept his name on the ballot. That was a play his
campaign made, nobody forced him into it.

As for Florida, everyone was under the same rules and all were on the ballot.
Like I’ve said before, I think the DNC punishing these two states was absurd,
but I don’t like caucuses either, which I believe are undemocratic, regardless
of who’s running for office. I’m not a party rules person, so I’ll defer to
someone who is.

Jermone Armstrong offers some interesting notes from MyDD diarist andrewalked08. Then Jerome does the numbers.


… The DNC has over-stepped their authority in the first place. Just as NH, IA an SC are not punished, so also will go FL & MI.

Here’s the state of the race that includes all 50 states:

Clinton leads Obama, 1127 to 1119, in pledged delegates.

Clinton leads Obama, 240 to 140, in super-delegates.

There are 393 remaining super-delegates.

There are 1301 remaining pledged delegates.

There are another 94 remaining delegates among the uncommitted, and John Edwards delegates.

DemConWatch is a good source, but I think Jerome has this exactly right. The only conclusion is that this race is not over, regardless of the pontificating by everyone who wants it to be so.

The DNC caused this mess. The campaigns had to play it as it was presented.
That’s the way it should stay. I’m against any further re-voting. Clinton took
the heat for staying on the ballot in Michigan, and the negative press when
all those “uncommitted” refused to vote for her, which was the Obama
campaign’s plan. Their choice. They have to live with the consequences. In Florida,
everyone had the same advantage, with Obama even running a cable ad after coming
off his South Carolina rout of Clinton.

That said, Obama has a chance to win this outright, not by arguing that Michigan and Florida don’t count. Frankly, he needs to win another big state besides his home state of Illinois. Texas and Ohio offer him that opportunity. If he can then the mess the DNC has created will be a moot point.

And as for superdelegates being involved, with Donna Brazile threatening to quit the DNC if they play a role in selecting the nominee. Anyone remotely involved with screwing over Florida and Michigan should quit. It’s because of people like Brazile and others that we’re in this mess. Her other big screw up was Gore in Florida in 2000. Need I say more?

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